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Chevy doesn't have an intercity fast charge network. Tesla will win any buying decision with a manufacturer that doesn't have one, or until a sufficient nationa

Chevy doesn't have an intercity fast charge network. Tesla will win any buying decision with a manufacturer that doesn't have one, or until a sufficient national vendor-independent network appears.

runeks 10y ago
Perhaps we should advocate that these sorts of connectors be made non-applicable for patent protection? As a consumer, I have no interest in car manufacturers being able to prevent competitors from being compatible.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  As a Tesla investor, I don't want legacy auto manufacturers getting a leg up after Tesla was the one who poured tens of millions of dollars into their charging network. I would fight this legislation every step of the way, even if I had to liquidate all of my TSLA holdings to do so. You (legacy automakers) want to not take EVs seriously until someone spent the last decade making them practical and desirable, and then try to use legislation to catch up? Tough.
  - ktRolster 10y ago
    That seems like a fight you're going to lose. As for me, I'm on the side of open standards (because they are so obviously beneficial). That might want to be an area where you "pick your battles," and save your energy for something else.
  - sangnoir 10y ago
    Looks like you're going to have to fight with Tesla[1] then: > If we clear a path to the creation of compelling electric vehicles, but then lay intellectual property landmines behind us to inhibit others, we are acting in a manner contrary to that goal. Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology. 1. https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you
    - toomuchtodo 10y ago
      Not at all. Musk has said there are other carmakers using their patents; great! That doesn't mean they're building out charging networks globally. Tesla is a member of the new CCS fast charging consortium (which supersedes the current "fast" charging CHAdeMO standard) [1], but they're the only ones still building out their manufacturer charging system network. [1] https://longtailpipe.com/2016/04/18/tesla-joins-150-kw-ccs-forces-chademos-days-are-numbered-in-ev-fast-charging/ https://longtailpipe.com/2016/04/18/tesla-joins-150-kw-ccs-f...
  - forgetsusername 10y ago
    >You (legacy automakers) want to not take EVs seriously until someone spent the last decade making them practical and desirable, and then try to use legislation to catch up? Tough. The Supercharging Network isn't as big a deal as you're letting on. A standard will be achieved, fuelling stations will install them (they own a lot of real estate) and the minimal advantage this is now providing Tesla buyers will disappear. A charger network is not a moat.
    - toomuchtodo 10y ago
      Why would you go to a fueling station when you can charge at home, at Superchargers, and destination chargers at businesses? No one is going to gas stations again with EVs, even if they convert to EV charging stations.
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      - forgetsusername 10y ago
        >Why would you go to a fueling station when you can charge at home, at Superchargers, and destination chargers at businesses How is a Supercharging station different from a fuelling station? Other EV users won't go to a "Tesla SuperCharging Station", they'll go to a "BP FastCharge" or "Exxon MegaCharge" station (or some entrepreneurial EV charging outfit). My point was, the Supercharging Network isn't a big advantage.
        toomuchtodo 10y ago
        You will only ever need a Supercharger if you're traveling more than ~300 miles in a day; otherwise, you're charging nightly at home.
Animats 10y ago
As of February 2016, there were 1530 CHAdeMO high-powered chargers in the US, compared to only 253 Tesla Supercharger stations. Tesla is falling behind.
- tokipin 10y ago
  You're right quantity-wise, but then you have https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/812708946225963008 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/812708946225963008 . I'd be surprised if Tesla EV's don't soon charge faster than it takes to fill up gas, within a couple years even. If EV's in general take off though, I think it's true that Tesla may have trouble keeping up with the larger market in terms of chargers.

Chevy doesn't have an intercity fast charge network. Tesla will win any buying decision with a manufacturer that doesn't have one, or until a sufficient national vendor-independent network appears.

runeks 10y ago

Perhaps we should advocate that these sorts of connectors be made non-applicable for patent protection? As a consumer, I have no interest in car manufacturers being able to prevent competitors from being compatible.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
As a Tesla investor, I don't want legacy auto manufacturers getting a leg up after Tesla was the one who poured tens of millions of dollars into their charging network. I would fight this legislation every step of the way, even if I had to liquidate all of my TSLA holdings to do so. You (legacy automakers) want to not take EVs seriously until someone spent the last decade making them practical and desirable, and then try to use legislation to catch up? Tough.
- ktRolster 10y ago
  That seems like a fight you're going to lose. As for me, I'm on the side of open standards (because they are so obviously beneficial). That might want to be an area where you "pick your battles," and save your energy for something else.
- sangnoir 10y ago
  Looks like you're going to have to fight with Tesla[1] then: > If we clear a path to the creation of compelling electric vehicles, but then lay intellectual property landmines behind us to inhibit others, we are acting in a manner contrary to that goal. Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology. 1. https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    Not at all. Musk has said there are other carmakers using their patents; great! That doesn't mean they're building out charging networks globally. Tesla is a member of the new CCS fast charging consortium (which supersedes the current "fast" charging CHAdeMO standard) [1], but they're the only ones still building out their manufacturer charging system network. [1] https://longtailpipe.com/2016/04/18/tesla-joins-150-kw-ccs-forces-chademos-days-are-numbered-in-ev-fast-charging/ https://longtailpipe.com/2016/04/18/tesla-joins-150-kw-ccs-f...
- forgetsusername 10y ago
  >You (legacy automakers) want to not take EVs seriously until someone spent the last decade making them practical and desirable, and then try to use legislation to catch up? Tough. The Supercharging Network isn't as big a deal as you're letting on. A standard will be achieved, fuelling stations will install them (they own a lot of real estate) and the minimal advantage this is now providing Tesla buyers will disappear. A charger network is not a moat.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    Why would you go to a fueling station when you can charge at home, at Superchargers, and destination chargers at businesses? No one is going to gas stations again with EVs, even if they convert to EV charging stations.
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    - forgetsusername 10y ago
      >Why would you go to a fueling station when you can charge at home, at Superchargers, and destination chargers at businesses How is a Supercharging station different from a fuelling station? Other EV users won't go to a "Tesla SuperCharging Station", they'll go to a "BP FastCharge" or "Exxon MegaCharge" station (or some entrepreneurial EV charging outfit). My point was, the Supercharging Network isn't a big advantage.
      - toomuchtodo 10y ago
        You will only ever need a Supercharger if you're traveling more than ~300 miles in a day; otherwise, you're charging nightly at home.

Animats 10y ago

As of February 2016, there were 1530 CHAdeMO high-powered chargers in the US, compared to only 253 Tesla Supercharger stations. Tesla is falling behind.

tokipin 10y ago
You're right quantity-wise, but then you have https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/812708946225963008 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/812708946225963008 . I'd be surprised if Tesla EV's don't soon charge faster than it takes to fill up gas, within a couple years even. If EV's in general take off though, I think it's true that Tesla may have trouble keeping up with the larger market in terms of chargers.