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What I'm pointing out is not some moral parallel between Rosa Parks and Travis Kalanick. I'm pointing out that if djsumdog's argument is valid, it applies equal

What I'm pointing out is not some moral parallel between Rosa Parks and Travis Kalanick. I'm pointing out that if djsumdog's argument is valid, it applies equally well to the civil rights movement. This is a strong indication that his argument is invalid, nothing more.

chiaro 10y ago
It's perfectly consistent to believe that the civil rights movement meets one's threshold for justifiable civil disobedience, while Uber's plight does not.
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  Perhaps, but that's an argument that needs to be made. It wasn't.
  - inimino 10y ago
    It shouldn't need to be made to anyone with a passing familiarity with history and a conscience.
madgar 10y ago
> I'm pointing out that if djsumdog's argument is valid, it applies equally well to the civil rights movement. The value of an argument is not a pure function of its syntactic structure but also the specific details of the argument. Context matters. Intent even matters. The details, context and intent so far suggest that you care more about being right on the Internet than about human beings' welfare.
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  The first step in helping human welfare is determining what things are actually good for human welfare. If you can't construct a valid argument for X, that's a hint that X might not be good for human welfare.
  - inimino 10y ago
    If everyone tells you that you are wrong but doesn't care to explain in detail why, it's a hint that you might be wrong. You are not owed a valid argument just because you demand one.
    - wpietri 10y ago
      So true. Random people don't owe an education to aggressive jerks, especially when they give little indication of being willing to listen.
      - yummyfajitas 10y ago
        What have I done that makes you believe I'm unwilling to listen, or that I'm an aggressive jerk? I understand that I've expressed disagreement on a topic you consider to be a sacred value. But have I done anything beyond that?
        wpietri 10y ago
        C'mon. I've seen you posting here for years. Of course I've seen you do more than express mere disagreement on a single topic. Disagreement is the norm here. What you do -- what you consistently do -- goes miles beyond that. And note that you sought out a comment not addressed to you to perform the exact behavior in question: aggressively demanding that somebody educate you. Not because it looks like you're sincerely interested in learning anything, but because it's an argumentative technique. If you actually want to understand this issue, find somebody whose job it is to teach you. Get a therapist versed in online culture, bring in a set of your discussions here, and pay her by the hour to help you see the pattern that is obvious to many other people. I doubt you'll do that, though, because I don't think you're seriously trying to learn anything here.
        yummyfajitas 10y ago
        And note that you sought out a comment not addressed to you... Am I correct in thinking you are new here, and unfamiliar with the format of HN? Just FYI, comments on HN are usually not addressed to any particular person. The format here is actually an open discussion that anyone can participate in. aggressively demanding that somebody educate you Could you link to the comment of mine which you believe is an "aggressive demand"? In terms of literally reading the text, none of my comments are a demand for anything. I'm also confused by your suggestions to pay a therapist. Do you also believe that people who agree with you are uninterested in learning if they fail to pay a therapist, or is it only people who disagree with you that you believe require mental help?

chiaro 10y ago

It's perfectly consistent to believe that the civil rights movement meets one's threshold for justifiable civil disobedience, while Uber's plight does not.

yummyfajitas 10y ago
Perhaps, but that's an argument that needs to be made. It wasn't.
- inimino 10y ago
  It shouldn't need to be made to anyone with a passing familiarity with history and a conscience.

madgar 10y ago

> I'm pointing out that if djsumdog's argument is valid, it applies equally well to the civil rights movement. The value of an argument is not a pure function of its syntactic structure but also the specific details of the argument. Context matters. Intent even matters. The details, context and intent so far suggest that you care more about being right on the Internet than about human beings' welfare.

yummyfajitas 10y ago
The first step in helping human welfare is determining what things are actually good for human welfare. If you can't construct a valid argument for X, that's a hint that X might not be good for human welfare.
- inimino 10y ago
  If everyone tells you that you are wrong but doesn't care to explain in detail why, it's a hint that you might be wrong. You are not owed a valid argument just because you demand one.
  - wpietri 10y ago
    So true. Random people don't owe an education to aggressive jerks, especially when they give little indication of being willing to listen.
    - yummyfajitas 10y ago
      What have I done that makes you believe I'm unwilling to listen, or that I'm an aggressive jerk? I understand that I've expressed disagreement on a topic you consider to be a sacred value. But have I done anything beyond that?
      - wpietri 10y ago
        C'mon. I've seen you posting here for years. Of course I've seen you do more than express mere disagreement on a single topic. Disagreement is the norm here. What you do -- what you consistently do -- goes miles beyond that. And note that you sought out a comment not addressed to you to perform the exact behavior in question: aggressively demanding that somebody educate you. Not because it looks like you're sincerely interested in learning anything, but because it's an argumentative technique. If you actually want to understand this issue, find somebody whose job it is to teach you. Get a therapist versed in online culture, bring in a set of your discussions here, and pay her by the hour to help you see the pattern that is obvious to many other people. I doubt you'll do that, though, because I don't think you're seriously trying to learn anything here.
        yummyfajitas 10y ago
        And note that you sought out a comment not addressed to you... Am I correct in thinking you are new here, and unfamiliar with the format of HN? Just FYI, comments on HN are usually not addressed to any particular person. The format here is actually an open discussion that anyone can participate in. aggressively demanding that somebody educate you Could you link to the comment of mine which you believe is an "aggressive demand"? In terms of literally reading the text, none of my comments are a demand for anything. I'm also confused by your suggestions to pay a therapist. Do you also believe that people who agree with you are uninterested in learning if they fail to pay a therapist, or is it only people who disagree with you that you believe require mental help?