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An inferior phone for a dozen reasons Could you elaborate on that? Everybody I know who has an N1 loves it...

by blhack 16y ago

Volscio 16y ago
Just went from iPhone 2G/AT&T to HTC Droid Incredible/Verizon. SO much better in every way.
- jacoblyles 16y ago
  Except viewing in the sunlight.
  - revaaron 16y ago
    And lack of global copy/paste, Exchange Calendar support, etc. But especially the viewing in sunlight. :P
    - theBobMcCormick 16y ago
      Full Exchange support is available in several third party apps (IMHO, that's where it belongs. I despise Exchange).
ben1040 16y ago
I can't speak on behalf of the grandparent poster but my gripes are not at all with the N1 hardware itself -- in fact the N1 is quite possibly the best put together phone I've owned. My issues are with Android and how it still feels rough around the edges. 1) Lack of an integrated mail tool. I really don't care so much about POP/IMAP folder integration but why do I need two email apps, one for Gmail and one for IMAP. The stock IMAP client sucks for that matter and I've had a lot better luck with Jesse Vincent's K9Mail fork off the core mail app. 2) The pull down notification bar seems clunky. On one hand it's nice to see at a glance all the things that happened on my phone while I wasn't using it. However when "you have unread mail" or "missed call" is mixed in with "XYZ song is playing" it gets sort of muddled. 3) Deleting an app is quite possibly the most unintuitive thing on the whole phone. If you're used to just hitting an "X" on the home screen from the iPhone you're in for a disappointment. None of these are dealbreakers for me and in general I am still very satisfied with my N1. However it seems to me that Android is still very much a platform for hackers. For example, Android has a running process list with an option to kill tasks on the phone. Not so on the iPhone, because the OS developers clearly decided their users shouldn't even have to think about this.
- ergo98 16y ago
  >For example, Android has a running process list with an option to kill tasks on the phone. Android does not have this. There are third party applications that do task management, however the word "placebo" applies to most advocates of them, and user task management should never be necessary. If the system needs resources it dehydrates tasks and terminates them, and this is a cardinal foundation of the platform. The new iPhone multitasking system works in a very similar manner to how Android has always worked, it should be mentioned. >Lack of an integrated mail tool. I really don't care so much about POP/IMAP folder integration but why do I need two email apps, one for Gmail and one for IMAP. Because the gmail app has different features and functions? > Deleting an app is quite possibly the most unintuitive thing on the whole phone. Now this is just weird. The most obviously way to uninstall an app is to simply go into downloads (where you installed it) and pick uninstall. The second to go into applications in settings and uninstall. Your gripes are seemingly that you've been mentally debilitated by using the iPhone, and now you use everything relative to how the iPhone works.
  - ben1040 16y ago
    >Android does not have this. If I go to "Applications > Settings > Running Services" on a stock 2.1 Android phone I get a list of running tasks with their corresponding package names. Tapping one of them terminates the task. It's not "top" but it's still pretty close to a process manager. A user shouldn't have to care that "com.google.process.gapps" is running "MailSyncAdapterService." >Because the gmail app has different features and functions? OK, that's fair, so merge them into one app and have it display gmail accounts in an enhanced manner. It simply seems counterintuitive to have two applications for the task of reading email.
    - ergo98 16y ago
      >I get a list of running tasks with their corresponding package names That gives you get a list of running services. Further, in no way is a user ever directed to go there for any reason. You have no reason to ever go into that screen.
revaaron 16y ago
The list of things is pretty long... Notes for an eventual review here: Read my outline here: http://meef.us/~rev/n1/n1-notes.txt http://meef.us/~rev/n1/n1-notes.txt @ergo98: Please elaborate. Even if I concede that my problems with multitasking are imaginary, I'd love to find out how I can enable built-in support for Exchange calendaring, copy from emails, and make the N1's screen readable in bright sunlight... Believe me, I'd love to find out there was just a preference I missed! (replying here because I can't reply to your comment directly)
- ergo98 16y ago
  >The list of things is pretty long... The N1 has flaws, but many of your complaints are hilariously wrong. The fact that you give pronouncements on multitasking borders on comical, as you have no understanding about how Android's multitasking works.
  - revaaron 16y ago
    Please elaborate. Even if I concede that my problems with multitasking are imaginary, I'd love to find out how I can enable built-in support for Exchange calendaring, copy from emails, and make the N1's screen readable in bright sunlight... Believe me, I'd love to find out there was just a preference I missed! I understand how Android's multitasking is supposed to work, but in my experience it isn't up to snuff. From your tone, I imagine you'd ask me to put up with a sluggish phone rather than doing something to deal with it. Maybe it'll get better in 2.2.
- deleted 16y ago
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An inferior phone for a dozen reasons Could you elaborate on that? Everybody I know who has an N1 loves it...

by blhack 16y ago

An inferior phone for a dozen reasons Could you elaborate on that? Everybody I know who has an N1 loves it...

Volscio 16y ago

Just went from iPhone 2G/AT&T to HTC Droid Incredible/Verizon. SO much better in every way.

jacoblyles 16y ago
Except viewing in the sunlight.
- revaaron 16y ago
  And lack of global copy/paste, Exchange Calendar support, etc. But especially the viewing in sunlight. :P
  - theBobMcCormick 16y ago
    Full Exchange support is available in several third party apps (IMHO, that's where it belongs. I despise Exchange).

ben1040 16y ago

I can't speak on behalf of the grandparent poster but my gripes are not at all with the N1 hardware itself -- in fact the N1 is quite possibly the best put together phone I've owned. My issues are with Android and how it still feels rough around the edges. 1) Lack of an integrated mail tool. I really don't care so much about POP/IMAP folder integration but why do I need two email apps, one for Gmail and one for IMAP. The stock IMAP client sucks for that matter and I've had a lot better luck with Jesse Vincent's K9Mail fork off the core mail app. 2) The pull down notification bar seems clunky. On one hand it's nice to see at a glance all the things that happened on my phone while I wasn't using it. However when "you have unread mail" or "missed call" is mixed in with "XYZ song is playing" it gets sort of muddled. 3) Deleting an app is quite possibly the most unintuitive thing on the whole phone. If you're used to just hitting an "X" on the home screen from the iPhone you're in for a disappointment. None of these are dealbreakers for me and in general I am still very satisfied with my N1. However it seems to me that Android is still very much a platform for hackers. For example, Android has a running process list with an option to kill tasks on the phone. Not so on the iPhone, because the OS developers clearly decided their users shouldn't even have to think about this.

ergo98 16y ago
>For example, Android has a running process list with an option to kill tasks on the phone. Android does not have this. There are third party applications that do task management, however the word "placebo" applies to most advocates of them, and user task management should never be necessary. If the system needs resources it dehydrates tasks and terminates them, and this is a cardinal foundation of the platform. The new iPhone multitasking system works in a very similar manner to how Android has always worked, it should be mentioned. >Lack of an integrated mail tool. I really don't care so much about POP/IMAP folder integration but why do I need two email apps, one for Gmail and one for IMAP. Because the gmail app has different features and functions? > Deleting an app is quite possibly the most unintuitive thing on the whole phone. Now this is just weird. The most obviously way to uninstall an app is to simply go into downloads (where you installed it) and pick uninstall. The second to go into applications in settings and uninstall. Your gripes are seemingly that you've been mentally debilitated by using the iPhone, and now you use everything relative to how the iPhone works.
- ben1040 16y ago
  >Android does not have this. If I go to "Applications > Settings > Running Services" on a stock 2.1 Android phone I get a list of running tasks with their corresponding package names. Tapping one of them terminates the task. It's not "top" but it's still pretty close to a process manager. A user shouldn't have to care that "com.google.process.gapps" is running "MailSyncAdapterService." >Because the gmail app has different features and functions? OK, that's fair, so merge them into one app and have it display gmail accounts in an enhanced manner. It simply seems counterintuitive to have two applications for the task of reading email.
  - ergo98 16y ago
    >I get a list of running tasks with their corresponding package names That gives you get a list of running services. Further, in no way is a user ever directed to go there for any reason. You have no reason to ever go into that screen.

revaaron 16y ago

The list of things is pretty long... Notes for an eventual review here: Read my outline here: http://meef.us/~rev/n1/n1-notes.txt http://meef.us/~rev/n1/n1-notes.txt @ergo98: Please elaborate. Even if I concede that my problems with multitasking are imaginary, I'd love to find out how I can enable built-in support for Exchange calendaring, copy from emails, and make the N1's screen readable in bright sunlight... Believe me, I'd love to find out there was just a preference I missed! (replying here because I can't reply to your comment directly)

ergo98 16y ago
>The list of things is pretty long... The N1 has flaws, but many of your complaints are hilariously wrong. The fact that you give pronouncements on multitasking borders on comical, as you have no understanding about how Android's multitasking works.
- revaaron 16y ago
  Please elaborate. Even if I concede that my problems with multitasking are imaginary, I'd love to find out how I can enable built-in support for Exchange calendaring, copy from emails, and make the N1's screen readable in bright sunlight... Believe me, I'd love to find out there was just a preference I missed! I understand how Android's multitasking is supposed to work, but in my experience it isn't up to snuff. From your tone, I imagine you'd ask me to put up with a sluggish phone rather than doing something to deal with it. Maybe it'll get better in 2.2.
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