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This would mean no H1B visas for those graduating straight out of college because they would have the least salary. The prepared restriction of $100,000 will d

by smb06 10y ago

This would mean no H1B visas for those graduating straight out of college because they would have the least salary. The prepared restriction of $100,000 will do the same because undergrads aren't going to get $100k straight out of college. That in turn is going to mean fewer international students in US universities. If they can't get jobs after spending 4 years and racking up college debt then they aren't going to come. If the best and brightest aren't going to come to the US educational system then the US educational system is going to hurt.

merpnderp 10y ago
Giving that isn't the desired outcome of th h1b program that is fine. It's to bring in labor that isn't being supplied by Americans at a reasonable rate. If we want to rob other countries of their brightest and most talented minds we should create another program just for that. [edit] My personal example of how students are abused under h1b was an old friend contacted me to do some contract dev work. I quoted him the old Buddy price of $50/hour since it was academic stat work and was intellectually stimulating. He balked and said he had only paid his phd post grad student from Vietnam $25/hour to work on it full time. This is a phd holder in computer science making $15/hour while working on additional coursework. Not slavery but not far from it.
- smb06 10y ago
  So, you support the US education system shutting itself to the best talent from around the world? Because you can rest assured someone with a 4yr college degree isn't getting a $100k job outside California and they won't be coming to the US in that case. Unless you have sat in a classroom and learnt in a multi-cultural environment, you won't appreciate why learning with people from different backgrounds is good for you.
flukus 10y ago
> This would mean no H1B visas for those graduating straight out of college because they would have the least salary. If H1B is for skilled migrants then why would college graduates by applying?
- smb06 10y ago
  Because H1B is for skilled "workers". Not necessarily someone with 10yrs of industry experience. There are a lot of 22-24yr olds who start their professional careers on the work visa. H1B is the only work visa that you can get with relative ease after studying in the US. The other work visas are an even bigger mess. Unless you are saying that anyone coming to study in US colleges for undergraduate programs should not look for a job here because the US only hires "skilled migrants"...
ajmurmann 10y ago
If you study a STEM field in the US with F1 via you get some time to do work in the US to get practical experience. It's up to you to do that work during it after you graduate. I did it after. I believe that allowed me to work here for two years. After that time you could switch to H1 and now have some experience to drive your salary up.
- smb06 10y ago
  Yes, that period is called OPT. There are a lot of professions that will not give you $100k even after 18months of work experience. Journalism, for example. I can name quite a few exemplary journalists on US national media that would not have made it under the current or proposed H1B rules. Maybe start thinking beyond your STEM bubble?
uiri 10y ago
undergrads aren't going to get $100k straight out of college. That's normal in Silicon Valley/San Francisco and NYC. In Seattle, it is normal at the larger tech companies.
- smb06 10y ago
  And Silicon Valley is all of America? There are a LOT more H1Bs hired outside SF/NYC/Seattle than in them. I graduated from Purdue in Indiana. The best of the lot, with 4.0 GPAs, got in the region of $70-75k on H1Bs because $75k is a LOT of money in rural Indiana. Cummins was one of the biggest employers.
neximo64 10y ago
Yes it would. Perhaps another visa for those out of college would be more appropriate instead.

by smb06 10y ago

merpnderp 10y ago

Giving that isn't the desired outcome of th h1b program that is fine. It's to bring in labor that isn't being supplied by Americans at a reasonable rate. If we want to rob other countries of their brightest and most talented minds we should create another program just for that. [edit] My personal example of how students are abused under h1b was an old friend contacted me to do some contract dev work. I quoted him the old Buddy price of $50/hour since it was academic stat work and was intellectually stimulating. He balked and said he had only paid his phd post grad student from Vietnam $25/hour to work on it full time. This is a phd holder in computer science making $15/hour while working on additional coursework. Not slavery but not far from it.

smb06 10y ago
So, you support the US education system shutting itself to the best talent from around the world? Because you can rest assured someone with a 4yr college degree isn't getting a $100k job outside California and they won't be coming to the US in that case. Unless you have sat in a classroom and learnt in a multi-cultural environment, you won't appreciate why learning with people from different backgrounds is good for you.

flukus 10y ago

> This would mean no H1B visas for those graduating straight out of college because they would have the least salary. If H1B is for skilled migrants then why would college graduates by applying?

smb06 10y ago
Because H1B is for skilled "workers". Not necessarily someone with 10yrs of industry experience. There are a lot of 22-24yr olds who start their professional careers on the work visa. H1B is the only work visa that you can get with relative ease after studying in the US. The other work visas are an even bigger mess. Unless you are saying that anyone coming to study in US colleges for undergraduate programs should not look for a job here because the US only hires "skilled migrants"...

ajmurmann 10y ago

If you study a STEM field in the US with F1 via you get some time to do work in the US to get practical experience. It's up to you to do that work during it after you graduate. I did it after. I believe that allowed me to work here for two years. After that time you could switch to H1 and now have some experience to drive your salary up.

smb06 10y ago
Yes, that period is called OPT. There are a lot of professions that will not give you $100k even after 18months of work experience. Journalism, for example. I can name quite a few exemplary journalists on US national media that would not have made it under the current or proposed H1B rules. Maybe start thinking beyond your STEM bubble?

uiri 10y ago

undergrads aren't going to get $100k straight out of college. That's normal in Silicon Valley/San Francisco and NYC. In Seattle, it is normal at the larger tech companies.

smb06 10y ago
And Silicon Valley is all of America? There are a LOT more H1Bs hired outside SF/NYC/Seattle than in them. I graduated from Purdue in Indiana. The best of the lot, with 4.0 GPAs, got in the region of $70-75k on H1Bs because $75k is a LOT of money in rural Indiana. Cummins was one of the biggest employers.

neximo64 10y ago

Yes it would. Perhaps another visa for those out of college would be more appropriate instead.