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So where does the line get drawn? Foreigners with Stanford degrees don't need visas but those else where do? What about MIT? Arizona State? If you establish an

So where does the line get drawn? Foreigners with Stanford degrees don't need visas but those else where do? What about MIT? Arizona State? If you establish an arbitrary boundary, it won't make sense.

gorkemyurt 10y ago
4 year STEM degree from an american university seems like a good place to start.. its not enough but better than a fake or real engineering degree from somewhere else. Because how the lottery is structured, anyone who went to an american college for undergrad (4 years) plus two years of OPT, has lower chances than someone who just did a masters degree in an american university (1 year), and equal chances with anyone else in the world. Anyone who spent first 6 years of their adult life in the US is much more likely to adjust to the american lifestyle than than anyone else.
- HarryHirsch 10y ago
  4 year STEM degree from an american university? Good Lord. So someone from Oxford, EMBL Heidelberg or Lomonossov University in Moscow is out, whereas someone from any unranked place in the US that no one sane has ever heard of is in? Half of the students that graduate from my department cannot calculate stoichiometry reliably, and they are a state college, issue a four-year degree and are properly accredited.
  - gorkemyurt 10y ago
    No no they are not out.. just give them priority over literally any college in the world. By no means ideal, if it was up to me I would allow all forms of immigration (maybe in return of a small social safety net fee) just trying to brainstorm easy improvements to the current system.
    - HarryHirsch 10y ago
      What do you hope to achieve by prioritizing graduates of below-average domestic schools over graduates of some of the best universities in the world? Pay your dues to the man? Someone who graduates from a decent school can be productive at any company in the world, but a Doldrum State graduate is just a health hazard. As for fitting in, back when when Soviet Russia came apart we had quite a few Russians at my university. They were all academics in their mid-40s and managed extremely well.
      - gorkemyurt 10y ago
        Current System prioritizes people from India. From my personal experience (also see the article below[1]) people coming to the US for undergrad education usually end up in good universities.. Probably a small portion of them are going to below average private schools because their families are rich. They usually don't study STEM or they can't find jobs after graduation, you need a job first to apply for an H1B. 1. https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/news/25-us-univ.. https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/news/25-us-univ....
  - turar 10y ago
    Just like someone with low IQ and GPA and born in the US is in, but someone with high IQ but not lucky enough to come out of a vagina in the US is out.

gorkemyurt 10y ago

4 year STEM degree from an american university seems like a good place to start.. its not enough but better than a fake or real engineering degree from somewhere else. Because how the lottery is structured, anyone who went to an american college for undergrad (4 years) plus two years of OPT, has lower chances than someone who just did a masters degree in an american university (1 year), and equal chances with anyone else in the world. Anyone who spent first 6 years of their adult life in the US is much more likely to adjust to the american lifestyle than than anyone else.

HarryHirsch 10y ago
4 year STEM degree from an american university? Good Lord. So someone from Oxford, EMBL Heidelberg or Lomonossov University in Moscow is out, whereas someone from any unranked place in the US that no one sane has ever heard of is in? Half of the students that graduate from my department cannot calculate stoichiometry reliably, and they are a state college, issue a four-year degree and are properly accredited.
- gorkemyurt 10y ago
  No no they are not out.. just give them priority over literally any college in the world. By no means ideal, if it was up to me I would allow all forms of immigration (maybe in return of a small social safety net fee) just trying to brainstorm easy improvements to the current system.
  - HarryHirsch 10y ago
    What do you hope to achieve by prioritizing graduates of below-average domestic schools over graduates of some of the best universities in the world? Pay your dues to the man? Someone who graduates from a decent school can be productive at any company in the world, but a Doldrum State graduate is just a health hazard. As for fitting in, back when when Soviet Russia came apart we had quite a few Russians at my university. They were all academics in their mid-40s and managed extremely well.
    - gorkemyurt 10y ago
      Current System prioritizes people from India. From my personal experience (also see the article below[1]) people coming to the US for undergrad education usually end up in good universities.. Probably a small portion of them are going to below average private schools because their families are rich. They usually don't study STEM or they can't find jobs after graduation, you need a job first to apply for an H1B. 1. https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/news/25-us-univ.. https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/news/25-us-univ....
- turar 10y ago
  Just like someone with low IQ and GPA and born in the US is in, but someone with high IQ but not lucky enough to come out of a vagina in the US is out.