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> Then, a couple of years later, the medication stopped working. And his aggressions exploded. > Once, when my son was late getting his cannabis oil after scho

> Then, a couple of years later, the medication stopped working. And his aggressions exploded. > Once, when my son was late getting his cannabis oil after school, he put his head through a window and cut his face in a frenzy of pain. We gave him his medication, and he calmed down enough that we could bring him to the ER. Any reason to believe history won't repeat itself here?

kingkawn 10y ago
No, hence the argument for the destigmatized, regular use of the drug to alleviate the symptoms.
- thesmallestcat 10y ago
  Why is it unthinkable that as the child's tolerance builds to THC and CBD, these events will repeat themselves? The underlying problem (pain from gut disease leading to rages) is unresolved.
  - dahart 10y ago
    "seven years later, it’s still working." Seems like tolerance isn't really an actual problem here. Are you suggesting these parents have some course of action to cure their child's problems? The child could relapse, but I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
    - thesmallestcat 10y ago
      That's fair. While it's possible that changes as the child becomes a man will nullify the medicine, maybe this is a permanent fix. But it's clear that the parents are forced to overmedicate for fear that the child will act out when "coming down." What rubs me the wrong way about this article is that it's written in such a way that any parent whose kid has a problem with tantrums might think, "hm, what if I just drugged up Johnny?"
      - jimnotgym 10y ago
        >But it's clear that the parents are forced to overmedicate for fear that the child will act out when "coming down." That is not at all clear from the article. There is no talk of withdrawal. If you take away pain meds and the pain comes back, that is not withdrawal!
      - tankenmate 10y ago
        Apart from the fact that medicinal marijuana requires a prescription; so this would require a documented medical diagnosis from a qualified professional at the least.
        gohrt 10y ago
        That's a half-day detour en route to the shop https://www.google.com/?#q=weed+card https://www.google.com/?#q=weed+card
      - dahart 10y ago
        Overmedicating children is an actual problem. Would be interesting to talk about ways to fix that problem. OTOH, these specific parents, I can't even imagine what they're going through. My heart goes out to them. A child like this would be so difficult to raise & to help, and obviously they have so much love & dedication just for their willingness to stick it out, I'm so glad a little THC works for them, as opposed to having nothing that works, or some other pharma cocktail that "solves" the problem through vegitating the kid's brain. Anything that gives them a semi-normal existence has to be a Godsend.
unethical_ban 10y ago
Different medicine with completely different bodily interactions. Different age of the child. Any reason to believe it will, other than it being a cliche?
- thesmallestcat 10y ago
  I used medical marijuana heavily for many, many years. Tolerance builds and it ain't the same, trust me. There, now we have an anecdote against the one in the story. See where this sort of journalism gets us? At some point there are demons you have to tackle head-on, or cope with otherwise. Anecdotally, for me, cannabis was a quick fix and a mistake.
  - mistermann 10y ago
    How much research have you done into the science involved here, do you have a strong understanding of the fundamentals?
Inception 10y ago
EDIT: OP was edited to add another quote and a question, which gave me the clarification I needed. It doesn't seem like tolerance is an issue here: > And seven years later, it’s still working. I still don't really get what your underlying point is. ----------- I'm curious why you shared this piece of the article? Are you attempting to say his fits of rage were due to cannabis withdrawals? I thought it was pretty clear from the article that this was the issue that was being treated. Some clarification would be nice. > At the time he was consumed by violent rages. He would bang his head, scream for hours and literally eat his shirts. At dinnertime, he threw his plates so forcefully that there was food stuck on the ceiling. He would punch and scratch himself and others, such that people would look at the red streaks on our bodies and ask us, gingerly, if we had cats. But when I got the cookies right, he calmed down. His aggressions became less ferocious and less frequent. Mealtimes became less fraught. He was able to maintain enough self-composure that he even learned to ride a bike — despite every expert telling us it would never happen. > Since he was an infant, I’d watched my son struggle. At 18 months, he underwent two major spinal-cord tumor surgeries, only weeks apart, and was immobilized in a cast for a year. After that, the violent rages began — sometimes as many as 300 in a day.

kingkawn 10y ago

No, hence the argument for the destigmatized, regular use of the drug to alleviate the symptoms.

thesmallestcat 10y ago
Why is it unthinkable that as the child's tolerance builds to THC and CBD, these events will repeat themselves? The underlying problem (pain from gut disease leading to rages) is unresolved.
- dahart 10y ago
  "seven years later, it’s still working." Seems like tolerance isn't really an actual problem here. Are you suggesting these parents have some course of action to cure their child's problems? The child could relapse, but I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
  - thesmallestcat 10y ago
    That's fair. While it's possible that changes as the child becomes a man will nullify the medicine, maybe this is a permanent fix. But it's clear that the parents are forced to overmedicate for fear that the child will act out when "coming down." What rubs me the wrong way about this article is that it's written in such a way that any parent whose kid has a problem with tantrums might think, "hm, what if I just drugged up Johnny?"
    - jimnotgym 10y ago
      >But it's clear that the parents are forced to overmedicate for fear that the child will act out when "coming down." That is not at all clear from the article. There is no talk of withdrawal. If you take away pain meds and the pain comes back, that is not withdrawal!
    - tankenmate 10y ago
      Apart from the fact that medicinal marijuana requires a prescription; so this would require a documented medical diagnosis from a qualified professional at the least.
      - gohrt 10y ago
        That's a half-day detour en route to the shop https://www.google.com/?#q=weed+card https://www.google.com/?#q=weed+card
    - dahart 10y ago
      Overmedicating children is an actual problem. Would be interesting to talk about ways to fix that problem. OTOH, these specific parents, I can't even imagine what they're going through. My heart goes out to them. A child like this would be so difficult to raise & to help, and obviously they have so much love & dedication just for their willingness to stick it out, I'm so glad a little THC works for them, as opposed to having nothing that works, or some other pharma cocktail that "solves" the problem through vegitating the kid's brain. Anything that gives them a semi-normal existence has to be a Godsend.

unethical_ban 10y ago

Different medicine with completely different bodily interactions. Different age of the child. Any reason to believe it will, other than it being a cliche?

thesmallestcat 10y ago
I used medical marijuana heavily for many, many years. Tolerance builds and it ain't the same, trust me. There, now we have an anecdote against the one in the story. See where this sort of journalism gets us? At some point there are demons you have to tackle head-on, or cope with otherwise. Anecdotally, for me, cannabis was a quick fix and a mistake.
- mistermann 10y ago
  How much research have you done into the science involved here, do you have a strong understanding of the fundamentals?

Inception 10y ago

EDIT: OP was edited to add another quote and a question, which gave me the clarification I needed. It doesn't seem like tolerance is an issue here: > And seven years later, it’s still working. I still don't really get what your underlying point is. ----------- I'm curious why you shared this piece of the article? Are you attempting to say his fits of rage were due to cannabis withdrawals? I thought it was pretty clear from the article that this was the issue that was being treated. Some clarification would be nice. > At the time he was consumed by violent rages. He would bang his head, scream for hours and literally eat his shirts. At dinnertime, he threw his plates so forcefully that there was food stuck on the ceiling. He would punch and scratch himself and others, such that people would look at the red streaks on our bodies and ask us, gingerly, if we had cats. But when I got the cookies right, he calmed down. His aggressions became less ferocious and less frequent. Mealtimes became less fraught. He was able to maintain enough self-composure that he even learned to ride a bike — despite every expert telling us it would never happen. > Since he was an infant, I’d watched my son struggle. At 18 months, he underwent two major spinal-cord tumor surgeries, only weeks apart, and was immobilized in a cast for a year. After that, the violent rages began — sometimes as many as 300 in a day.