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Watching various media outlets they tend to say something along the lines of: "Russia hacked the election!". Reporting on the hack of the DNC / Podesta, followe

by setra 10y ago

Watching various media outlets they tend to say something along the lines of: "Russia hacked the election!". Reporting on the hack of the DNC / Podesta, followed by saying that Russia attempted to influence the US election. Both of which are documented and true events. However they attempt to conflate the two in presentation into the literal "Russia hacked John Podesta and Clinton to help Trump". Which is not justified from the limited amount of information available. Similarly they will talk about voting machine hacks, followed by Russia's attempted influence, and in presentation giving you the impression that "Russia hacked US voting machines".

morganvachon 10y ago
I think the first (Russia hacked to install Trump) is more likely than the second (Russia successfully hacked US voting machines). I draw this conclusion only because of things I had noticed long before the hacks came to light, mostly Trump's ambiguity regarding his relationship with Putin and Russia from a business point of view. It didn't help his position when he started appointing Russia-friendly cabinet members. Still, I don't think you can draw a direct line from Trump to Putin regarding the hacks themselves; in other words, Trump didn't order the attacks, he just reaped the benefits.
- FoeNyx 10y ago
  > in other words, Trump didn't order the attacks Yep, he did not order it, he only asked kindly for some help > “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”
- ddw 10y ago
  Absolutely this. If he were transparent about his financial dealings we would know how much Russia really means to him. My guess is Putin has compromised Trump and Trump as POTUS benefits Russia greatly.
- ddw 10y ago
  Absolutely this. If he were transparent about his financial dealings we would know how much Russia really means to him. My guess is Putin has compromised Trump and Trump as POTUS benefits Russia greatly.

by setra 10y ago

morganvachon 10y ago

I think the first (Russia hacked to install Trump) is more likely than the second (Russia successfully hacked US voting machines). I draw this conclusion only because of things I had noticed long before the hacks came to light, mostly Trump's ambiguity regarding his relationship with Putin and Russia from a business point of view. It didn't help his position when he started appointing Russia-friendly cabinet members. Still, I don't think you can draw a direct line from Trump to Putin regarding the hacks themselves; in other words, Trump didn't order the attacks, he just reaped the benefits.

FoeNyx 10y ago
> in other words, Trump didn't order the attacks Yep, he did not order it, he only asked kindly for some help > “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”
ddw 10y ago
Absolutely this. If he were transparent about his financial dealings we would know how much Russia really means to him. My guess is Putin has compromised Trump and Trump as POTUS benefits Russia greatly.
ddw 10y ago
Absolutely this. If he were transparent about his financial dealings we would know how much Russia really means to him. My guess is Putin has compromised Trump and Trump as POTUS benefits Russia greatly.