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> It was literally months before any editor looked closely enough at the situation to realize that this might not be fully kosher. It is fully kosher. That's n

by ErrantX 17y ago

> It was literally months before any editor looked closely enough at the situation to realize that this might not be fully kosher. It is fully kosher. That's not to say it is something that the Foundation may decide not to host - but from a legal perspective the image is absolutely fine. (to put it into context if someone caught you with 500 or so similar images on your computer then you might get a slapped wrist - depending on whether any could be viewed as "sexual"). EDIT: is there a request for undelete link now? Or could you point me at the original MFD thread (privately if you like) and perhaps I could put in an "expert" view (if it would be useful).

AgileCyborg 17y ago
>depending on whether any could be viewed as "sexual" Society is chock full of prosecutors and citizens like the micro-brained David Cook who view almost anything 'natural' involving a youngster as 'sexual'. http://reason.com/blog/2009/05/04/grandma-arrested-for-child-por http://reason.com/blog/2009/05/04/grandma-arrested-for-child... The subjectivity of this topic lends itself to egregious abuse if minds have been soaked in morality acid.
- ErrantX 17y ago
  Well it's hard to say in such situations without personal involvement in the case but.... certainly that's something to investigate. From the description of the images they are concerning enough to be questioned (why have you taken images of your granddaughter posed in this way). As you say it is subjective. The main problem is: - people plying their own agenda trying to prosecute people for moral or other ambiguous reasons - inexpert officers doing an initial investigation/arrest; which leads to full investigations by experts into... ...nothing The latter is always going to happen - and luckily we've got quite good at heading it off early (at least here anyway). The former is more of a problem - because if they are big enough (like this prosecutor it seems) to push it to court you can often get a jury onside by default :( "It kind of boils down to a gut feeling. If it feels wrong, it probably is." This is correct though; clearly his marker is a lot lower because my "gut" [based on a brief review] on that specific case is "probably ok". You do get a gut feeling about someone's intentions though (and the terrible thing is the number of times you just cannot, in honesty, prove it).

by ErrantX 17y ago

AgileCyborg 17y ago

>depending on whether any could be viewed as "sexual" Society is chock full of prosecutors and citizens like the micro-brained David Cook who view almost anything 'natural' involving a youngster as 'sexual'. http://reason.com/blog/2009/05/04/grandma-arrested-for-child-por http://reason.com/blog/2009/05/04/grandma-arrested-for-child... The subjectivity of this topic lends itself to egregious abuse if minds have been soaked in morality acid.

ErrantX 17y ago
Well it's hard to say in such situations without personal involvement in the case but.... certainly that's something to investigate. From the description of the images they are concerning enough to be questioned (why have you taken images of your granddaughter posed in this way). As you say it is subjective. The main problem is: - people plying their own agenda trying to prosecute people for moral or other ambiguous reasons - inexpert officers doing an initial investigation/arrest; which leads to full investigations by experts into... ...nothing The latter is always going to happen - and luckily we've got quite good at heading it off early (at least here anyway). The former is more of a problem - because if they are big enough (like this prosecutor it seems) to push it to court you can often get a jury onside by default :( "It kind of boils down to a gut feeling. If it feels wrong, it probably is." This is correct though; clearly his marker is a lot lower because my "gut" [based on a brief review] on that specific case is "probably ok". You do get a gut feeling about someone's intentions though (and the terrible thing is the number of times you just cannot, in honesty, prove it).