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Messaging Is the One Thing People Do More Than Anything Else on Their Phone
- analogmemory 10y agoWebsite is offline.
- peterschroeder 10y agoThanks for the input. I have recently tried migrating away from GoDaddy, but they seem to be holding on tight to my domain! It should be fully functional in the next few days.
- wodenokoto 10y agoThat was the main thing since SMS became big in the late 90's. Did Social network apps ever out-compete messaging if we count SMS as messaging? Taking about messaging on phones without even mentioning SMS, seems uninformed to me.
- peterschroeder 10y agoTrue! In the book 'The Lean Startup' by Eric Ries, he actually had the same idea for a growth strategy for his messaging platform IMVU. It is not a new concept. The idea is this breaks down the barrier to entry to start incorporating multiple unifications. For example, we start with messaging and next we unify emails. From there we unify live streaming, and then something else. I am not saying these are the things we are going to go on to unify, but that is the concept.
- henrikschroder 10y ago> The app I am developing will combine all forms of communication into one simple application. This will help people digest and send messages / emails from one central location. This is not a problem the average user is having. Anyone remember the "IM wars"? Most people happily installed all IM programs their friends were on, thus solving the problem. Only a small handful of nerds thought this was intolerable, and installed Adium or Trillian or Miranda or any of the other multi-network instant messengers, and suffered every time an actual network would upgrade or change their protocol. This time around, people's smartphones are already the unifier. All messaging apps have notifications, so your phone will tell you what everyone is saying across networks, and you just tap to go straight into whatever app the message was in.
- blazespin 10y agoMaybe It Is Different This Time. A guy can dream, right?
- pastullo 10y agoThis guy is gonna make gazillions!
- peterschroeder 10y ago:)
- peterschroeder 10y agoDreams can become reality right? :)
- peterschroeder 10y agoGreat point. This isn't a problem ever single person is having. Aside from the unified feature, we will have a native messaging feature as well. The long-term goal is to introduce a desktop version and then from there work towards some other initiatives we have. After unifying messaging, we want to continue to unify other functionalities, to work toward a sort of 'super app'. It starts with messaging and will evolve from there.
- walterbell 10y agoWeChat?
- peterschroeder 10y agoIn the end, when it is all said and done - we will be very similar to WeChat, but not the same. The rest of the world has needed an app like WeChat, but fits with western culture. I am hesitant to say we aspire to be similar, but in the end it is a similar concept.
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- srrrg 10y agoThis article appeared in a different form (same author) here: https://hackernoon.com/one-app-to-rule-them-all-aa1cba497e62#.1x31e21re https://hackernoon.com/one-app-to-rule-them-all-aa1cba497e62...
- peterschroeder 10y agoThanks for sharing my other article! I have been on a bit of a writing tear lately. Essentially I am writing to get feedback from people on the product I am developing and to do so, I am writing content. I figured if people read my articles centered around messaging, they would be interested telling me what they would want to see in a messaging app!
- vmarsy 10y agoGood luck to the author. I used to love in my windows phone 7 back in 2010 when I could combine text, fb messenger, Skype, etc. into one thread. With the people hub you would also see the Facebook and Twitter feed for a particular contact in one place. The support for fb messenger disappeared for some reason, as well as Twitter feed I think, I hope the author takes a look at this as part as a prior art investigation. All friends that used it really liked it. This is one of the big reasons I'm sad windows phone never took off.
- peterschroeder 10y agoThanks for the feedback! We are early in development, so every little feedback helps us with the direction we take. We will definitely take your feedback into consideration. This messaging hub we are creating should be able to do all of the things you previously loved about your windows phone!
- ufoolme 10y agoBlackberry hub was great for combining all the messaging systems, easily the best thing that came out of BB10 (and proper app permissions). I would try the android port, but all my family have ios devices and we use mainly use facetime.
- peterschroeder 10y agoBB10 seriously rocks! There are some functionality things I have had people tell me could be improved. Here is what they said: Aside from a few janky integrations caused by BB10 emulating Android for done apps, the hub in BB10 was pretty much flawless. BlackBerry are way underrated for the attention they put into UI/UX, especially when it comes to productivity. The same can’t be said for the BlackBerry hub on Android, it’s a long way from the polish of its BB10 counterpart. My main gripe with the Android version is that for anything other than email, it basically serves as a second notification area; pressing a twitter notification in the hub, for instance, just opens the Twitter app. This is pretty redundant given that Android already has perfectly reasonable notification area. So much so that I’ve removed everything but my email accounts from the BlackBerry hub on Android, and now use it simply as an email client. I will say that it’s by far the best email client I’ve used in Android, and I’ve tried most of them. For the BlackBerry hub, or UNUM, to truly fulfill its promise, the third party integrations need be to be self-contained (don’t just open another app for me) and feature rich enough to negate the need for me to keep the standard client installed (or at least rich enough for me to turn off notifications on the standard client). So the real challenge here becomes creating a UI/UX that is consistent across your app but also consistent with the wide variation of UIs/UXs across the third party apps you integrate with.
- asciimo 10y agoWelcome to The Future, where humans employ electronic devices to communicate across vast distances, instantaneously!
- peterschroeder 10y agoSo true, I love it! We live in a connected world.
- peterschroeder 10y agoFor anyone not interested in reading the whole article, essentially I am building an app which will combine all forms of communication into one simple application. This will help people digest and send messages / emails from one central location. I am currently in the early stages of development for my unified messaging platform, which I have named UNUM messenger. I plan to launch UNUM messenger in March of 2017 as a Beta. If you would like to be notified when UNUM messenger launches, you can sign up here - http://www.unummessenger.com http://www.unummessenger.com More than anything, I am looking for feedback on what people would want to see on an app like this. Feel free to leave a comment and let me know what you think. Thanks! Peter
- wheelerwj 10y agoI apologize, I don't intend for this to sound as rude as its going to or if I'm just out of the loop but... I don't know who you are or why I should care what you are developing? People have known that messaging has been fucked for a very long time, and many people have tried to make a one size fits all solution for messaging. What makes you different? In a related tangent, Messaging is really fucked. Email is thrashed. To the point that it requires consistent effort and continuous maintenance for it to be useful at all. I love the idea of a unified service. But I don't know why facebook or skype or slack would ever give up a customer to your interface?
- peterschroeder 10y agoI am open to any and all feedback, so I am not offended at all friend! To be honest, I am not necessarily asking for you to care about what I am doing. What I am looking for is constructive feedback, which you provided me in your comment, so thank you! What makes us different is we are not only going to unify, but also provide native messaging through our app. For this reason, we will introduce features that set us apart solely for being a native messaging app. I agree email is basically useless at this point. Later down the road, we do have plans to have our app help in the overthrowing of email and eventually replacing it with messaging. You can read more about that here if you would like - https://artplusmarketing.com/can-messaging-replace-email-a835ec29f839#.buek5dwb0 https://artplusmarketing.com/can-messaging-replace-email-a83... Some apps we definitely won't be able to integrate with. We will need to start lean and work from there meaning only having a handful of integrations to begin. From there we will be able to get a bigger dev team and work around API limitations. I really apprecaite you responding and all of your feedback!
- IgorPartola 10y agoWhat's really bizarre to me is how some people use a whole bunch of messaging apps. My girlfriend uses iMessage to text me, Facebook messanger to text several friends, WhatsApp for one of her girlfriends. Why not standardize? Alas I am not everyone and I need to remember that.
- peterschroeder 10y agoHaha I wish it were that simple. I alone use over 10 messaging apps. They all serve a different purpose. For example I use WhatsApp to talk to my wife and friends. I use Slack to communicate with my team. I use Intercom to chat live with customers. I use email to correspond with vendors. Not to mention all of the messages I check across social media every day. If nothing else, this app will be a lifesaver for me! :)
- chainsaw10 10y ago> Why not standardize? You can't. These apps don't federate, and not everyone uses all of them. As I wrote this comment, I realized I use more apps than I thought. I use SMS for some folks, Messenger for others, and Slack, Hangouts, and GroupMe for specific groups. If I'm in a 5+ person group chat, I can't really ask everyone to move to something else. And I want to hear what's going on, so I keep the app around.
- peterschroeder 10y agoGreat point, I am not sure we can get to the point where we can encompass ever single scenario, but maybe. Group chats are something I have had a problem thinking through. At the moment, it is the number one thing on my list to find a solution for!
- IgorPartola 10y agoThe thing is that I know fOr a fact that in this particular group of people everyone has free SMS and/or iMessage. Moreover, they all know rah others' real names and phone numbers. Some talk on the phone, yet use Facebook for messages. These are not people who care about federation. It's just some kind of bizarre force of habit. These are also all the people who have at least a thousand unread emails in their inboxes. I know one person who has roughly 60k unread emails dating back to 1997 when she created her AOL account. She is not a Luddite and very good at using other types of tech but somehow never mastered email.
- rch 10y agoDo you respond to every comment?
- peterschroeder 10y agoI do! :) Feedback is really important to me. I truly enjoy communicating with people. I gain something from every single conversation I have.
- peterschroeder 10y agoThanks for the comments and upvotes everyone! It was pretty cool to be featured on the front page of Hacker News! :)
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago"All of you messages in one place."[0] Hmmm... needs editing. [0]http://www.unummessenger.com/ http://www.unummessenger.com/
- peterschroeder 10y agoWhoops! That last update didn't work out so well. Thanks for the feedback, I just updated it now! :)
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoWhat I want more than anything is a popular open protocol. I want to be able to choose between 10 different messaging apps on each of the platforms that I use and they all speak the same protocol.
- dllthomas 10y agoYou have this. It's called XMPP, and it's supported by well more than 10 different messaging apps on each major platform.
- peterschroeder 10y agoI'll have to check it out! Thanks for sharing. :)
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoThe operative word was "popular". The world uses Whatsapp and iMessages and not XMPP.
- peterschroeder 10y agoWe're solving for the people who use WhatsApp and iMessage.
- dllthomas 10y agoI wouldn't call XMPP "unpopular". But my real point ran a little deeper. That's the world we've consistently moved away from - interoperability seems to be treated as a bug, not a feature.
- peterschroeder 10y ago> (And no, this hasn't happened yet with XMPP. XMPP has, for a variety of reasons completely failed. We need to let it die and start from scratch with something actually designed with mobile devices in mind) I think we all agree with that.
- NumberCruncher 10y ago>>There has always been a fear of face-to-face communication with people outside of your ‘inner circle’. Messaging apps have removed the face-to-face fear people have... That is simply not true. Messaging apps allow people to hide behind screens, to avoid facing their fears and are killing real communication.
- peterschroeder 10y agoVery true, when you are sending someone a message you are hiding behind a screen. Instead of an instant, 'the first thing that comes to your head' kind of response, it is edited and refined. It certinly is not the same as face-to-face communication. While this is true, I feel it is also true that people are scared of face-to-face communication. Hell I couldn't take to a girl face to face until high school and even then I struggled, but truth be told - I could text like a boss. Whether it hurt real communication or not is a debate, but either way messaging is going to happen.
- NumberCruncher 10y agoSometimes the medium is the message. Giving someone a call when you could send a message can make the difference. Not only by women. You are totally right, messaging is going to happen. It is even better for me.
- peterschroeder 10y agoVery true! When you think about how email is dying and everyone is messaging, there is a lot of opportunity. For example the conversation I am having here on HN are way more valuable than if all of us were in a room talking. It may be more fun, but we wouldn't be having these types of conversations.
- lgas 10y agoThat's easy for you to say from behind a keyboard :)
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- bamboozled 10y agoThe only thing that matters to me is total and absolute privacy, I should be able to chat with people I care about and not have any third-party involved. No advertising companies, no anonymous collection, no state surveillance, nothing. I don't want anyone scraping my business for any purpose. I'll pay to have it that way if I must (thought I don't see why I should have too). I don't care about stickers, emoticons, videos or anything else. I know apps exist that do this now, but this needs to be the default behavior and there should be an open standard for achieving this. It's 2017, we should've had this in 1998. If I can't have something like this soon, then I'll make it myself.
- peterschroeder 10y agoI couldn't agree more. Honestly we are so early in development, we don't know what we are going to do for data collection, but there are a few things we are certain of. - Your messages will be encrypted (end-to-end.) - We will never spy on or store any of your conversations or media. - No state survailence. As for ads, we aren't entirely sure. We could make the app 99 cents and have no ads, or we could have a few ads or maybe both. I am not sure yet. Either way, I really appreciate the feedback and would love to hear if you had any more suggestions!