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I don't consider win10 telemetry that bad. You can dial it down a lot until it's just sending crash data when thing go bad. Pretty much all OSes have this. Wha
by bostand 10y ago
I don't consider win10 telemetry that bad. You can dial it down a lot until it's just sending crash data when thing go bad. Pretty much all OSes have this.
What I really don't like however is Microsoft pushing garbage like candy crush to my machine without my consent.
- MrVitaliy 10y agoThat's not true. Install and run wireshark then dial all you want, there will always be traffic every other minute or so to one of Redmond's servers from just idling.
- UnoriginalGuy 10y agoI did just that, cannot reproduce. Did you actually try this or is this based on one of those articles about the open beta of Windows 10 that had a lot more telemetry you couldn't disable?
- MrVitaliy 10y agoThe only thing I didn't do is to block MS servers in System32\Drivers\etc\hosts file. This is useless in my opinion, MS can always change them or add new ones.
- UnoriginalGuy 10y agoThat didn't answer my question at all. You said above: > That's not true. Install and run wireshark then dial all you want, there will always be traffic every other minute or so to one of Redmond's servers from just idling. I literally did exactly what you said. Shutdown all third party applications on a Windows 10 Pro machine, loaded Wireshark 2.2.3, filtered out all LAN traffic/broadcast traffic/etc and watched. Didn't see any traffic at all going to Microsoft nor anyone else, it is still running now and not a peep. Now I have no doubt that if I waited long enough I would, since I have Windows Update enabled, use Microsoft for time synchronisation, and a handful of other things. But it definitely isn't "every other minute." I cannot reproduce that.
- MrVitaliy 10y agoFair enough. From what I recall, the traffic was going to telemetry servers not time sync. Next time I play with Windows I'll holdon to the capture logs for proof. I think the other side effect from all those regedit hacks was issues with Windows updates. In the end, my machine got stuck at installing October patches, rebooting then failing at 99% applying the patch, rebooting again, rolling back the patch, rebooting, trying to install the patch again. The non-stop CPU usage and reboots made me quit Windows for awhile.
- rasz_pl 10y agoThis is interesting, because I just did the same thing and there is plenty of garbage flying around to various akamai hosts every 20-60 minutes. Is your system volume license or retail?
- UnoriginalGuy 10y agoRetail. 10 Pro specifically.
- rasz_pl 10y agoMine was activated as Win 7 upgrade to 10 during the Insider Program. Tested clean install in VM right now. Maybe Microsoft tracks this and forces my in theory Retail copy to still act like some sort of guinea pig :/
- EasyTiger_ 10y agoDidn't they 'hack' it so it ignores MS servers listed in hosts file?
- my123 10y agoHe is just saying shit...
- Aldo_MX 10y agoI'll be the devil's advocate this time. As you can see in gpedit, Cortana and Web Search is disabled. Why does explorer.exe need to access akamai or search.msn? http://imgur.com/a/yiIxn http://imgur.com/a/yiIxn
- UnoriginalGuy 10y agoSome of those GPO policies no longer work, they're legacy. Instead: Click Search, Hamburger Menu, Settings, Uncheck "Search Online and Include Web Results." If you have OneDrive installed Explorer keeps a constant connection to Microsoft's servers to populate your OneDrive folders into the navigation pane.
- Aldo_MX 10y agoOneDrive is also disabled, and your claim about GPO policies is blatantly nonsense, since that's what you use for Enterprise deployments. Also, if you had actually researched before publishing, you'd known that Microsoft removed the disable option from the Hamburger menu during the Anniversary Update. This is not a conspiracy theory but Microsoft blatantly crossing the line, I personally don't care since I'm not interested in joining the arms race against Telemetry, but not being able to easily disable an annoying persistent connection certainly leaves you a bad taste in your mouth.
- UnoriginalGuy 10y ago> your claim about GPO policies is blatantly nonsense, since that's what you use for Enterprise deployments. It says right in the GPO policies which operating systems they apply to. For example in your screenshot you set "Do not allow web search" to quote the policy itself that only applies to: > Microsoft Windows XP, or Windows Server 2003 with Windows Search version 3.01 or later Doesn't do anything on Windows 10. So it isn't "blatantly nonsense." You are just playing with pro functionality you don't understand. > Also, if you had actually researched before publishing, you'd known that Microsoft removed the disable option from the Hamburger menu during the Anniversary Update. Nope. http://i.imgur.com/nzHBVex.png http://i.imgur.com/nzHBVex.png As you can see I am on 10.0.14393 which is the Anniversary Retail Release and have the option.
- jmnicolas 10y agoThe low level of telemetry you're talking about is only available in Windows 10 Enterprise (good luck finding it) or Server editions, you need to set a GPO to get it.
- tossedaway334 10y agoMy linux install does not have "telemetry" (which is really just a polite word for what people used to call "spyware").
- AmVess 10y agoYes, but the post is about Windows 10, not Linux.
- sz4kerto 10y agoSpyware and telemetry are not the same. Do you really think they are exactly the same?
- CaptSpify 10y agoUnremoveable software that is using my computer in ways I don't want it used? Yeah, I'd call it the same thing.
- aarongolliver 10y ago"Unremoveable" by all definitions but the dictionary one.
- khedoros1 10y agoHow about "software that is using my computer in ways I don't want it used, inextricable from the software that I require"?
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- CaptSpify 10y agoReally? So tell me how to remove all of their software, and make sure that it doesn't come back to my system. I'm not even being sarcastic when I say I'd love to see proof that it can be done.
- kenjackson 10y agoWhat's the problem with telemetry in general? For almost all of the important products I use I like to send usage info -- my expectation is that they're more likely to improve features that I use as a result. And if you use a web app, e.g., Google Apps, they get all this data plus more (and completely not anonymized).
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- RhodaLs 10y agoThe biggest part of the problem is not being able to turn it off. I don't think most people would be bothered by the basic telemetry if this was an option for non-enterprise / education users. That and not being able to see what it's sending out. I recently took a close look at the Privacy control panel on my iPhone. Not only does it give the option of turning off telemetry and ad data, but it also shows you exactly what is being sent back to the mothership. This is what Windows 10 needs.
- criddell 10y agoThat's fine and I have no problem with telemetry being enabled by default. But there are lots of reasons users might want to shut it off. A big one is that some people are on metered connections and that telemetry can cost money.
- tux1968 10y agoDon't want any extra network usage when i'm connected to my cell phone hotspot and using up my monthly data cap.
- cobalt 10y agowindows has a 'metered' mode for network connections. I don't know if this will stop said usage, but you could check
- quickben 10y agoWill you consider it bad if it sends a crash of your executable with all debug info/source code in it to Microsoft? How about it you are developing a competing product to microsoft one?
- RainCloud 10y agoWhat I don't get is, why do they have to store the telemetry data encrypted locally. Why can't I see what my computer is sending off.
- shostack 10y agoYou might have stronger thoughts about your choice of OS if you saw what they really knew and stored.
- gumernatorial 10y agoPresumably so that other applications can't mine telemetry for nefarious reasons.