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There's no excuse for this happening -- AT&T announced the end of life of 2G four years ago in 2012. Now Muni claims that the shutdown took them by surprise an

There's no excuse for this happening -- AT&T announced the end of life of 2G four years ago in 2012. Now Muni claims that the shutdown took them by surprise and they are scrambling to replace all of the old 2G equipment https://www.sfmta.com/about-sfmta/blog/why-muni-arrival-times-are-off-week-and-how-we%E2%80%99re-working-fix-them https://www.sfmta.com/about-sfmta/blog/why-muni-arrival-time... Simply put, the deactivation work that affects our vehicles started sooner than expected and outpaced our ongoing upgrade of all Muni vehicles to a new communications and monitoring system. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2012-08-03/att-2g-network/56758432/1 http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2012-08-03/at... AT&T Friday [announced] that the shutdown of its second-generation, or "2G," wireless network will be complete by the end of 2016 At the time, I was managing some devices that used 2G to send telemetry -- our AT&T sales rep called us to warn us about the shutdown.

xenadu02 10y ago
I leased an Infinity over a year ago... it has the same "problem": the connected features rely on an ATT 2G radio. They made me sign a form acknowledging it would stop working January 1, 2017. There is zero chance Muni wasn't aware of this. I have no idea why they didn't ask for money to upgrade the system earlier... it seems like a tailor-made situation to get a budget increase: legitimately blame it on someone else and use the largesse to buy a brand new much better system that you normally can't get approved.
- pnathan 10y ago
  Sure there is. > There's no excuse for this happening -- AT&T announced the end of life of 2G four years ago in 2012. Now Muni claims that the shutdown took them by surprise and they are scrambling to replace all of the old 2G equipment Typically, what that means is, pulled out of the ciphered jargon, "Relevant technical information was not adequately conveyed to the appropriate management in such a fashion as to outlast political appointment churn, thus, the current execs had no idea". It's a two sided problem: well meaning and ignorant top levels and wellmeaning and poor communicating lower management. The other analysis is that the current leadership was hung out on a limb to dry by the people who did know it was a problem, and the current leadership couldn't surface the relevant information. :-)
- mcpherrinm 10y ago
  Muni has been upgrading the radios in the shelter signs over the last year, so they're definitely aware of it and have been working on it.
Dwolb 10y ago
They could use Hologram's SIM which uses T-Mobile's 2G and 3G network as well as AT&T in the US [1] [1] https://hologram.io/cellular/ https://hologram.io/cellular/
noobermin 10y ago
Given SF is more and more the center of the US, how is it that your public transport still falls victim to such neglect? I understand the lack of appreciation for most cities in the US (like mine) since we don't really prioritize, but SF should have its shit together given how dense of a city it has become.
- Johnny555 10y ago
  Politics.
- pvg 10y ago
  Given SF is more and more the center of the US It isn't. And Muni has been awful forever, admirably steadfast in awfulness through multiple booms and busts.
- mahyarm 10y ago
  Hahahaha, once you live here you realize the incompetence is pervasive. California and SF is a very mismanaged place.
- burkaman 10y ago
  Public transport sucks everywhere in America, and I have never heard SF described as the center of the US. What do you mean by that?
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- mulmen 10y ago
  SF is not the center of the US. It's just a city in California.
  - milesskorpen 10y ago
    There are two serious global cities in the US — NYC and SF. I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest that the center of power/influence/whatever in the US is shifting to these cities over middle America.

xenadu02 10y ago

I leased an Infinity over a year ago... it has the same "problem": the connected features rely on an ATT 2G radio. They made me sign a form acknowledging it would stop working January 1, 2017. There is zero chance Muni wasn't aware of this. I have no idea why they didn't ask for money to upgrade the system earlier... it seems like a tailor-made situation to get a budget increase: legitimately blame it on someone else and use the largesse to buy a brand new much better system that you normally can't get approved.

pnathan 10y ago
Sure there is. > There's no excuse for this happening -- AT&T announced the end of life of 2G four years ago in 2012. Now Muni claims that the shutdown took them by surprise and they are scrambling to replace all of the old 2G equipment Typically, what that means is, pulled out of the ciphered jargon, "Relevant technical information was not adequately conveyed to the appropriate management in such a fashion as to outlast political appointment churn, thus, the current execs had no idea". It's a two sided problem: well meaning and ignorant top levels and wellmeaning and poor communicating lower management. The other analysis is that the current leadership was hung out on a limb to dry by the people who did know it was a problem, and the current leadership couldn't surface the relevant information. :-)
mcpherrinm 10y ago
Muni has been upgrading the radios in the shelter signs over the last year, so they're definitely aware of it and have been working on it.

Dwolb 10y ago

They could use Hologram's SIM which uses T-Mobile's 2G and 3G network as well as AT&T in the US [1] [1] https://hologram.io/cellular/ https://hologram.io/cellular/

noobermin 10y ago

Given SF is more and more the center of the US, how is it that your public transport still falls victim to such neglect? I understand the lack of appreciation for most cities in the US (like mine) since we don't really prioritize, but SF should have its shit together given how dense of a city it has become.

Johnny555 10y ago
Politics.
pvg 10y ago
Given SF is more and more the center of the US It isn't. And Muni has been awful forever, admirably steadfast in awfulness through multiple booms and busts.
mahyarm 10y ago
Hahahaha, once you live here you realize the incompetence is pervasive. California and SF is a very mismanaged place.
burkaman 10y ago
Public transport sucks everywhere in America, and I have never heard SF described as the center of the US. What do you mean by that?
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mulmen 10y ago
SF is not the center of the US. It's just a city in California.
- milesskorpen 10y ago
  There are two serious global cities in the US — NYC and SF. I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest that the center of power/influence/whatever in the US is shifting to these cities over middle America.