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Who said anything about a robot wanting to do anything ? The creator would obviously - he would certainly not build a theme park with his robots. Imagine for on

Who said anything about a robot wanting to do anything ? The creator would obviously - he would certainly not build a theme park with his robots. Imagine for one second that you could build such level of AI and robots - do you really think you would need to build a theme park to finance it - WTF ?!? It's like when the AI used human brains as electricity generators in matrix - but at least that movie had cool music and fight scenes.

sp332 10y ago
They were trying to produce consciousness, not raw intelligence. The park was for the robots at first. After Arnold killed himself, Ford opened the park to humans to get money in a pinch without giving up control of the bots.
- rubber_duck 10y ago
  You don't get it - even if you're some dreamer scientist genius who's trying to build whatever - if they actually got to that level of intelligence the tech would have been "acquired" by military/other companies/whoever and very quickly used for self improvement to get better results. If you could build that level of AI you are absolutely not building a open access theme park to fund it - how's that even remotely plausible to you ?
  - noiv 10y ago
    > plausible Can't imagine the character played by A. Hopkins would even pick up a phone call from military.
    - gnaritas 10y ago
      With that kind of tech, they wouldn't allow him the option of choosing. It'd be classified immediately as a national security issue and the government would assert ownership via eminent domain. We do not live in a world where a lone genius would be allowed to do what happens in that show.
      - sp332 10y ago
        Aside from literally nuclear tech, when has a government confiscated tech in this way? What you're describing is completely unprecedented.
        pharrington 10y ago
        Even nuclear tech was specially developed with government funding. P and GGP are arguing against the fantasy show because it doesn't behaving according to their own fantasy. edit: In fact half the time tech moves in the opposite direction. Going onto the internet to argue that potentially civilization-changing technology won't be used largely for entertainment because it'll end up exclusively owned by government shows a profound lack of awareness.
        sp332 10y ago
        I mean if you start making a nuke the government will come and physically take it away from you :)
        gnaritas 10y ago
        AI of that level would be unprecedented and far more dangerous than nukes; to think the government wouldn't interfere would be unrealistic.
        sp332 10y ago
        I'm sure there's a pitch to be made, but consciousness doesn't seem to me to be a killer app for the military. In fact Dolores repeatedly refuses to kill people even when it's in her best interest. Only one person has died before the last episode, so how could you convince anyone that it's more dangerous than nukes? The other tech in the show seems pretty advanced so I'm sure the military is doing just fine for themselves. And the people are there because outside life is boring, so there's no cold or hot wars where they need an advantage ASAP.
        10y ago
  - glenstein 10y ago
    >if they actually got to that level of intelligence the tech would have been "acquired" by military/other companies/whoever I don't doubt that that would be a very real consideration, a pressure out there in the world that anyone developing AI would have to contend with. I think the problem is with treating this like an inevitability. You are always going to deal with the idiosyncracies of the world: personalities, motivations, contingent world circumstances. And beyond that, I think we have to keep in mind that this is, after all, fiction. The writers may arbitrarily structure their world in a manner that puts a spotlight on things they feel are interesting. And, within the limits of that spotlight, they may consider things like artificial intelligence in a way that is sincere to the subset of futurist considerations they are interested in investigating. And perhaps that involves suppressing plausible forces we would expect to see, such as military and corporate interest in advanced AI tech.
jack_pp 10y ago
The show had cool music and fight scenes as well and the AI is orders of magnitude better represented than in the matrix, have you even seen the show?

sp332 10y ago

They were trying to produce consciousness, not raw intelligence. The park was for the robots at first. After Arnold killed himself, Ford opened the park to humans to get money in a pinch without giving up control of the bots.

rubber_duck 10y ago
You don't get it - even if you're some dreamer scientist genius who's trying to build whatever - if they actually got to that level of intelligence the tech would have been "acquired" by military/other companies/whoever and very quickly used for self improvement to get better results. If you could build that level of AI you are absolutely not building a open access theme park to fund it - how's that even remotely plausible to you ?
- noiv 10y ago
  > plausible Can't imagine the character played by A. Hopkins would even pick up a phone call from military.
  - gnaritas 10y ago
    With that kind of tech, they wouldn't allow him the option of choosing. It'd be classified immediately as a national security issue and the government would assert ownership via eminent domain. We do not live in a world where a lone genius would be allowed to do what happens in that show.
    - sp332 10y ago
      Aside from literally nuclear tech, when has a government confiscated tech in this way? What you're describing is completely unprecedented.
      - pharrington 10y ago
        Even nuclear tech was specially developed with government funding. P and GGP are arguing against the fantasy show because it doesn't behaving according to their own fantasy. edit: In fact half the time tech moves in the opposite direction. Going onto the internet to argue that potentially civilization-changing technology won't be used largely for entertainment because it'll end up exclusively owned by government shows a profound lack of awareness.
        sp332 10y ago
        I mean if you start making a nuke the government will come and physically take it away from you :)
      - gnaritas 10y ago
        AI of that level would be unprecedented and far more dangerous than nukes; to think the government wouldn't interfere would be unrealistic.
        sp332 10y ago
        I'm sure there's a pitch to be made, but consciousness doesn't seem to me to be a killer app for the military. In fact Dolores repeatedly refuses to kill people even when it's in her best interest. Only one person has died before the last episode, so how could you convince anyone that it's more dangerous than nukes? The other tech in the show seems pretty advanced so I'm sure the military is doing just fine for themselves. And the people are there because outside life is boring, so there's no cold or hot wars where they need an advantage ASAP.
        10y ago
- glenstein 10y ago
  >if they actually got to that level of intelligence the tech would have been "acquired" by military/other companies/whoever I don't doubt that that would be a very real consideration, a pressure out there in the world that anyone developing AI would have to contend with. I think the problem is with treating this like an inevitability. You are always going to deal with the idiosyncracies of the world: personalities, motivations, contingent world circumstances. And beyond that, I think we have to keep in mind that this is, after all, fiction. The writers may arbitrarily structure their world in a manner that puts a spotlight on things they feel are interesting. And, within the limits of that spotlight, they may consider things like artificial intelligence in a way that is sincere to the subset of futurist considerations they are interested in investigating. And perhaps that involves suppressing plausible forces we would expect to see, such as military and corporate interest in advanced AI tech.

jack_pp 10y ago

The show had cool music and fight scenes as well and the AI is orders of magnitude better represented than in the matrix, have you even seen the show?