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The WSJ one I couldn't read in its entirety but it opened by calling him a liar and a thief, so I'm not sure how impartial we can consider it to be. "Imp

The WSJ one I couldn't read in its entirety but it opened by calling him a liar and a thief, so I'm not sure how impartial we can consider it to be. "Impartial?" I'm not seeing "liar"/"thief" or any such innuendo in the opening. Here's the full article [0] -- which is an extract from an upcoming book. This pokes holes in Snowden's narrative, i.e. How Snowden Escaped Hong Kong Exclusive [1], and, if true, would fill a lot of glaring holes (i.e. How did Snowden get on an Aerofloat flight out of HK almost a week after the manhunt started?). Also, a big concern raised is the breadth of information Snowden walked off with. Allegedly, it wasn't just privacy/surveillance info, but also national security and military secrets. From an audit of the 1.5 million docs Snowden walked off with, "most had nothing to do with domestic surveillance or whistle blowing." This raises eyebrows. [0] http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fable-of-edward-snowden-1483143143?emailToken=JRrzc/tzZXuQh9AwbMwg1FBtYKACD%2BLMQV2SIXzVM1LA8WfTpv2tyqNw3ofn%2BjrzHh8mvA%3D%3D http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fable-of-edward-snowden-1483... [1] http://news.nationalpost.com/features/how-edward-snowden-escaped-hong-kong http://news.nationalpost.com/features/how-edward-snowden-esc...

smcl 10y ago
I'm not sure how it's possible to miss the liar/thief part - the opening sentence is "Of all the lies that Edward Snowden has told since his massive theft..." However now you're getting somewhere - criticism that he's picked up docs related to military secrets does seem pretty valid. I'd hope that it was just that he picked up a broad range of docs in the hope that that some would contain information supporting the surveillance issue (kind of ironically mirroring the "dragnet" approach to surveillance) - but we can't be sure I suppose.
- caminante 10y ago
  re: liar/thief... I'm sorry as I did a poor job qualifying my statement. As it stands now, my claim is incorrect. I apologize and thank you for your note. I meant to say that saying Snowden is a thief (true) and that he has told lies (many of his claims are disputed) isn't being partial. I can see how the paywall would make the opening seem partial. I'd read the entire article so I was putting the opening in the context of the author's possibilities, e.g. Snowden didn't necessarily have collusion with Russia in mind.
nikcub 10y ago
> i.e. How did Snowden get on an Aerofloat flight out of HK almost a week after the manhunt started? Because Hong Kong let him go, as he wasn't officially wanted at the time: > as the US had revoked his passport (and issued an arrest warrant) and notified Hong Kong of the revocation a day before the plane took off. However, as numerous news reports of the time reported, the US information [in the arrest warrant] was contradictory and incomplete, and thus Hong Kong did nothing to stop Snowden from leaving [0]. The Guardian [1] quotes a Hong Kong official as saying Snowden left "through a lawful and normal channel". The rest of that blog post is worth a read: http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/12/your-absurd-story-doesnt-make-me.html http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/12/your-absurd-story-doesnt-m... [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20130822210647/http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=30&art_id=134957&sid=39870263&con_type=1&d_str=20130626&isSearch=1&sear_year=2013 https://web.archive.org/web/20130822210647/http://www.thesta... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/23/edward-snowden-arrives-moscow https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/23/edward-snowden...
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- FabHK 10y ago
  It was quite funny, IIRC: The US was increasing the pressure on HK and submitted an arrest/extradition request, but apparently they had left out his middle name and the passport number on the form. So HK let him go, claiming they followed all laws and obligations from their treaties, basically saying "Oh, that Edward Snowden! Damn, if only we had known."
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smcl 10y ago

I'm not sure how it's possible to miss the liar/thief part - the opening sentence is "Of all the lies that Edward Snowden has told since his massive theft..." However now you're getting somewhere - criticism that he's picked up docs related to military secrets does seem pretty valid. I'd hope that it was just that he picked up a broad range of docs in the hope that that some would contain information supporting the surveillance issue (kind of ironically mirroring the "dragnet" approach to surveillance) - but we can't be sure I suppose.

caminante 10y ago
re: liar/thief... I'm sorry as I did a poor job qualifying my statement. As it stands now, my claim is incorrect. I apologize and thank you for your note. I meant to say that saying Snowden is a thief (true) and that he has told lies (many of his claims are disputed) isn't being partial. I can see how the paywall would make the opening seem partial. I'd read the entire article so I was putting the opening in the context of the author's possibilities, e.g. Snowden didn't necessarily have collusion with Russia in mind.

nikcub 10y ago

> i.e. How did Snowden get on an Aerofloat flight out of HK almost a week after the manhunt started? Because Hong Kong let him go, as he wasn't officially wanted at the time: > as the US had revoked his passport (and issued an arrest warrant) and notified Hong Kong of the revocation a day before the plane took off. However, as numerous news reports of the time reported, the US information [in the arrest warrant] was contradictory and incomplete, and thus Hong Kong did nothing to stop Snowden from leaving [0]. The Guardian [1] quotes a Hong Kong official as saying Snowden left "through a lawful and normal channel". The rest of that blog post is worth a read: http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/12/your-absurd-story-doesnt-make-me.html http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/12/your-absurd-story-doesnt-m... [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20130822210647/http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=30&art_id=134957&sid=39870263&con_type=1&d_str=20130626&isSearch=1&sear_year=2013 https://web.archive.org/web/20130822210647/http://www.thesta... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/23/edward-snowden-arrives-moscow https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/23/edward-snowden...

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FabHK 10y ago
It was quite funny, IIRC: The US was increasing the pressure on HK and submitted an arrest/extradition request, but apparently they had left out his middle name and the passport number on the form. So HK let him go, claiming they followed all laws and obligations from their treaties, basically saying "Oh, that Edward Snowden! Damn, if only we had known."

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