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How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime
- dingdongding 10y agoWe all the know there is a solution to mass shooting in US. It's just that politicians and people fancy about gun way too much and like to keep a gun at hand for "safety"
- IslaDeEncanta 10y agoThe best way to undermine a democracy is to get rid of people's ability to defend themselves.
- ents 10y agoPlease explain.
- IslaDeEncanta 10y agoI think it's pretty obvious.
- labster 10y agoI don't know, people have plenty of weapons in the U.S., and the person who won the presidency by 3 million votes still didn't take office. Yet in the U.K. where few people have guns, the people voted for Brexit and they will get one. It sounds like gun ownership level is inversely proportional to democracy level to me.
- angersock 10y ago> the person who won the presidency by 3 million votes still didn't take office Those constituents were, statistically and historically, in far greater support of gun control and far less armed. So, it actually kinda illustrates your point--what're they going to do, wave their lattes in the air angrily at the trumptruppen?
- labster 10y agoYup, that's basically the plan. It's going to be a messy four years. Get ready to get some coffee and milk stains out of your clothes. If there's one thing we know about Nazis, it's that they're obsessed with wearing snappy uniforms.
- emusan 10y agoThat's a pretty serious abuse of correlation...
- TheSpiceIsLife 10y agoBut, you must admit that context of the post replied to it was very well put. Formula: 1. Outrageously bold claim 2. Obviously ridiculous and nonsense claim of correlation 3. Things are rarely as simple as some few-word slogan.
- IslaDeEncanta 10y agoI don't think it's outrageous to say that a few people with weapons can command many people without weapons.
- TheSpiceIsLife 10y agoI don't, personally, recall the last US election that was settle by a shoot-out. It seems most modern democracies get by fine without civil wars. Or: what, exactly, are you suggesting.
- IslaDeEncanta 10y agoI'm suggesting that a fascist dictatorship is harder to establish in a place where everybody is armed.
- brobinson 10y agoThe presidency has never been decided by popular vote in the ~225 years the office has existed
- petre 10y agoWell yes, but then if people own handguns, the police has automatic rifles. At least in the US they do abuse using the firearms, especially when the perpetrators are black.
- IslaDeEncanta 10y agoThere's no doubt that the state always has more power than individuals, but the point is that the state will not have more power than all the individuals put together.
- bcook 10y ago>We all the know there is a solution to mass shooting in US. No, "we" don't. The article states "Ever since guns entered the country, Japan has always had strict gun laws" but the US already has guns everywhere. Getting all those guns back is no easy task. Also, Japan is an island so I assume border control is easier.
- petre 10y agoSwitzerland also has high gun ownership and liberal gun ownership laws, but it does not have mass shootings.
- perfectstorm 10y agoSwitzerland has mandatory military service required for all men where they are trained for gun usage. Also, they require permits and are allowed only if you're over 18yrs.
- zaruvi 10y agoI suggest you get educated about the real reasons why gun violence is rampant in the US. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hyQDQPEsrs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hyQDQPEsrs
- TheSpiceIsLife 10y agoOn mobile in a far away land, would you mind providing a summary and perhaps add your own voice. I feel HN is greater when more substantially comments are provided.
- zaruvi 10y agoOk. In short, because of intelligence levels. Lower IQ correlates with higher crime. And the painful truth about intelligence is that it is almost entirely genetically defined. As you grow up the genetic factor is smaller, but as you grow older (~adulthood) the gap between genetics and environment narrows. So it is not true that any given person can become smart, if given the right opportunities. This is one of the most pervasive myths about intelligence. And if you stop to think about it open-mindedly, it makes sense. Many observations of separated twins and adopted children led to this finding. Intelligence can be also denoted in the g factor. It is a metric that defines overall smarts in all disciplines. It is easiest to understand this as overall fitness, for example. A person that competes in the olympic long jump, will also perform above average in other sports. It carries over to other fields, and afaik is the best current metric. Now it gets controversial if you bring in the human races. There are substantial observed differences in average intelligence. Intelligency levels among a population form a bell curve. When comparing certain racial groups (both when using IQ and g), the difference is more than a whole standard deviation. This difference has long been observed, and because of its controversial nature fallen to the wayside. Ashkenazi jews are the smartest, followed by asians, whites, hispanics and blacks. Look at Silicon Valley for example. There is a reason there are so many asians, as they are most capable in mathematical and geospatial settings. If you look at the racial breakdown of people, they correlate highly with the intelligency bell curves. There are few blacks, more whites, and the most asians. There is an observed sweet spot of criminality for certain levels of intelligence. When looking at committed crimes this indeed checks out. That sweet spot is at an IQ level that is around the average for blacks. That's why crime increases starting from asians, whites, hispanics and blacks. Along with that, you've got the welfare state that has effectively destroyed the nuclear family. This is especially true for the black households. Single motherhood is one of the biggest indicators for a life of crime. But it is not true that everyone goes down that path, here also there are some genetic differences that affect the outcome. Insert the warrior gene (monoamine oxidase A [MAO-A]). People that have this gene are more violent. A less common version of this gene, the two-repeat (2R), is even more strongly linked. Compared to those with a "regular" version of the gene, people with the 2R form are twice more likely to be violent. About 5.5% of blacks possess this gene, while only 0.1% of caucasians and 0.0007% of asians do. Now, it is important to recognise that the above facts don't mean that anyone belonging to the group in which these facts stack up (MAO-A R2, low IQ, bad neighbourhood) will become a criminal. It is after all, only a propensity. It turns out that good upbringing is most crucial. Abuse at a young age, single motherhood, living in a region with "hood culture" (I don't know how else to word this, glorification of drugs, etc.), ... these kinds of things are the primary triggers for criminal behaviour. Acknowledging these facts could be a great step towards ending racial tensions. Currently the black man is living under the impression that white racism is causing him to be worse off than other racial groups. The media plays into this idea, because after all "everyone is equal (in terms of intelligence and some other things) right? If someone ends up worse than another, it is due to some form of invisible discrimination." Affirmative action in this sense is a farce, because it tells less intelligent people that they in fact can compete, when in reality they can't. Without the truth this will go on and on. If the truth came out, they wouldn't be able to put the blame outside themselves. They could start to go down the path of self-betterment instead of the wallowing in self-pity. I hope that gives you a small introduction into the topic. Please, please, please don't fall into the trap of calling me racist. That's a debate stopper, and immediately disqualifies you of having this conversation. If you really think I'm wrong, I'd say prove me wrong with facts, not with random name-calling.
- david38 10y agoJapan has also eradicated the rights of defendants. They have horrible prison conditions and conviction rates that will shock anyone.
- suneilp 10y agoThose conviction rates are due to how they ignore the rights of defendants as you said and also how they browbeat suspects into confessing to doing something they didn't do. The accounts of that browbeating I've read/watched about are inhumane. Their society has aspects to it that are suppressive and don't tolerate younger people questioning older people. Violence through other means like knives seems to be increasing (correct me on that if I'm wrong). The work hours they put force employees to go through is apparently taking it's toll on their society. I'm predicting we'll see more issues in their society. I'd be glad to be wrong but they do have social issues to take care of just like most other countries.
- TheSpiceIsLife 10y agoThose conviction rates are due to how they ignore the rights of defendants as you said and also how they browbeat suspects into confessing to doing something they didn't do. Sounds a lot like how I hear it's done in the US, a la "plea bargains".
- david38 10y agoJapanese society is in all kinds of trouble. It's so bad that women are finding it better to stay single than get married and/or have children. When fully half of your population walks away from one of the most important pillars of your society, you are screwed if you don't change.
- TheSpiceIsLife 10y agoRight, so I did a quick bit of tapping over here and found this: The criminal justice system of Japan has a conviction rate that exceeds 99% (Note that it includes guilty plea cases.[1]), which has been attributed to low prosecutorial budgets impelling understaffed prosecutors to present judges with only the most obviously guilty defendants.[1] Now, I'm no expect on the matter, perhaps neither are you. However,I would appreciate more context than your comment provides because the way you've framed it makes it seem like an obviously bad thing, which, on closer inspect, may not be the case. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate
- WalterBright 10y agoIt's more complicated than the simplistic article suggests. For example, Japan has an exceedingly low crime rate, which is not explained by lack of guns.
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- yomly 10y ago>"The response to violence is never violence, it's always to de-escalate it. Only six shots were fired by Japanese police nationwide [in 2015]," says journalist Anthony Berteaux. "What most Japanese police will do is get huge futons and essentially roll up a person who is being violent or drunk into a little burrito and carry them back to the station to calm them down." How telling. Reminds me of the cop who quit the police force after witnessing drug crime escalation as a direct result of increased criminalisation[0][1] There was another article on the FT that questioned why Japan has not fallen prey to far-right extreme populism[2]. The explanation is, of course, extremely nuanced but one thing that doesn't seem to be discussed much in mainstream media is the positives of having a highly homogeneous country. Nations which are ethnically homogeneous are also typically culturally homogeneous and this is conducive for high levels of social trust. See nations like Sweden, Norway and Switzerland. The ideas of social trust are discussed in Ill Fares the Land by Tony Judt[3] (a book recommendation I picked up on here). Of course, it is not immediately constructive to say multicultural countries like the USA or UK should instigate mass deportation and ethnic purging, but it bothers me that it seems like even discussing the issue of ethnic homogeneity (not purging!!!) straddles the border of being taboo. For instance, would it not be productive to discuss how to achieve high levels of social trust in a culturally colourful society? Nations like Singapore seem to have made some steady progress in this dimension... [0]https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/26/neil-woods-undercover-cop-who-abandoned-the-war-on-drugs https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/26/neil-woods-u... [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12365667 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12365667 [2]https://www.ft.com/content/987dddda-bbe2-11e6-8b45-b8b81dd5d080 https://www.ft.com/content/987dddda-bbe2-11e6-8b45-b8b81dd5d... [3]https://www.amazon.com/Ill-Fares-Land-Tony-Judt/dp/0143118765 https://www.amazon.com/Ill-Fares-Land-Tony-Judt/dp/014311876...
- Veratyr 10y ago> Nations which are ethnically homogeneous are also typically culturally homogeneous and this is conducive for high levels of social trust. See nations like Sweden, Norway and Switzerland. I'm not sure you can say they're ethnically homogeneous. 15% of Swedish and 24% of Swiss residents are foreign born, for one. I suspect that the difference between European countries and the US isn't that there's more homogeneity but that the various cultures and nations have been so close to each other for so long that they've just got over most of their problems. While the US has only been a civilised nation with its own identity and culture for a bit over 200 years, many European cultures and countries have been developing, warring, making peace and exchanging territory with each other for over a millenium. The US is very very young and its people are still learning to accept each other and get along. Remember, slavery only ended 150 years ago and segregation only ended 60 years ago. It takes time to fully move on from things like that.
- viseztrance 10y agoI live in Romania, which according to this list[1] is number 4 of gun related deaths per capita (Japan is number 2). The long lasting communist regime ensured very few people had access to guns. Decades passed since its collapse but the strict law regulations remained in place to this day. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...
- pella 10y ago"Even gangsters live in fear of Japan’s gun laws" (2013) http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/01/06/national/media-national/even-gangsters-live-in-fear-of-japans-gun-laws/ http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/01/06/national/media-n... "Under current laws, if a low-level yakuza is caught with a gun and bullets that match, he’ll be charged with aggravated possession of firearms and will then face an average seven-year prison term. Simply firing a gun carries a penalty of three years to life. And for the “accomplice” reasons above, a yakuza boss may decide a death sentence is more appropriate if his thug miraculously gets released on bail before going to jail. One mid-level yakuza boss told me, “Having a gun now is like having a time bomb. Do you think any sane person wants to keep one around the house?”
- pliftkl 10y agoInterestingly, Japan actually has a homicide rate on par with the US if you include suicides (with the delta between the Japanese and US rates being filled by our murder rate).
- draw_down 10y agoWhat?