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Whether the email issue mattered or not, she also lied repeatedly about that: about the number of emails, the number of devices, etc. I can take this further a

Whether the email issue mattered or not, she also lied repeatedly about that: about the number of emails, the number of devices, etc. I can take this further afield and show you lie after recorded lie of hers, but it's not much use. I suspect they and many politicians are pathological liars, some just have more tact. EDIT: due to downvotes I'll respond to you here Uh, Trump's a liar, obviously. You can start with his false memories about of 9/11 and continue onward. He's an obvious pathological liar to me, but to so is Clinton. The only way people see otherwise is due to bias. The fact that criticism of an obviously horrible candidate leads people to assume you support another horrible politician is to me a sign of how bad politics are these days (I guess they have always been this way, we're just aware of the happenings as they happen). I don't think you can measure levels of dishonesty. When it is known, there is true and false and nothing in between. Making excuses for the lies of politicians is a sure race to the bottom.

aceperry 10y ago
It's strange to me to see Hillary Clinton compared to Trump as equivalent in terms of honesty. I don't buy that. In fact, I would rate Trump and people like Elizabeth Holmes as being far more dishonest than your everyday politician or average person. I tend to think of them as being pathological liars, and I don't put Clinton or most other politicians in the same league as Trump. Maybe I shouldn't have used Trump as an example, even though I think he's the clearest example today, because of the incredibly divisive and polarizing elections we've experienced. Some people can't seem to see or think straight when it comes to Trump or Clinton. I'm sure you can show me Clinton's lies, but I have to wonder if you can do the same with Trump. And I have to wonder if you even think Trump is more honest than Clinton.
- FireBeyond 10y ago
  Right, there are literally dozens of examples of Trump in the last twelve months where he has said something, and not something vague, but specific, concrete statements, recorded on video, and in some cases not 24 hours later saying "I didn't say that. That's a lie. I never said that."

aceperry 10y ago

It's strange to me to see Hillary Clinton compared to Trump as equivalent in terms of honesty. I don't buy that. In fact, I would rate Trump and people like Elizabeth Holmes as being far more dishonest than your everyday politician or average person. I tend to think of them as being pathological liars, and I don't put Clinton or most other politicians in the same league as Trump. Maybe I shouldn't have used Trump as an example, even though I think he's the clearest example today, because of the incredibly divisive and polarizing elections we've experienced. Some people can't seem to see or think straight when it comes to Trump or Clinton. I'm sure you can show me Clinton's lies, but I have to wonder if you can do the same with Trump. And I have to wonder if you even think Trump is more honest than Clinton.

FireBeyond 10y ago
Right, there are literally dozens of examples of Trump in the last twelve months where he has said something, and not something vague, but specific, concrete statements, recorded on video, and in some cases not 24 hours later saying "I didn't say that. That's a lie. I never said that."