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Do you doubt that the conclusions are different in the Classified versions of the document?

by totally 10y ago

dominotw 10y ago
Do you doubt that North Korea was behind sony hacks ? [1] 1. https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/update-on-sony-investigation https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/update-on-s... - the FBI now has enough information to conclude that the North Korean government is responsible for these actions.
- losvedir 10y ago
  Are they now believed not to have been? As far as I can tell it's still just as open of a question now as it was then.
  - dominotw 10y ago
    > it's still just as open of a question now as it was then. that still makes the 'conclusion' wrong.
TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
You've got it backwards. This report is from US Government agencies. So by definition "full supporting information, including specific intelligence on key elements of the influence campaign" doesn't support the conclusions.[1] 1. Weapons of Mass Destruction
- neaden 10y ago
  That was the Bush administration that messed with the evidence there and wildly overstated their case. If you think that Obama is doing something similar here then present some evidence.
  - pessimizer 10y ago
    It's them that have the burden of proof, now as then. It's very difficult to prove that evidence that hasn't been offered is false. edit: When it came to WMD, most people who were paying attention believed based on the evidence and the inspectors that there wasn't any; but I assumed that the administration had more evidence for the endless detail and droning on than a single angry defector looking for German citizenship. I was wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_%28informant%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_%28informant%29
  - TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
    As an outsider (Australian), it's all the same to me. The US has one political party: The Right. Meddling in the affairs of other nations, conducting proxy wars, arming the world, crushing the little guy. That's how the US Government comes across a lot of the time.

Do you doubt that the conclusions are different in the Classified versions of the document?

by totally 10y ago

Do you doubt that the conclusions are different in the Classified versions of the document?

Do you doubt that North Korea was behind sony hacks ? [1] 1. https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/update-on-sony-investigation https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/update-on-s... - the FBI now has enough information to conclude that the North Korean government is responsible for these actions.

losvedir 10y ago
Are they now believed not to have been? As far as I can tell it's still just as open of a question now as it was then.
- dominotw 10y ago
  > it's still just as open of a question now as it was then. that still makes the 'conclusion' wrong.

TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago

You've got it backwards. This report is from US Government agencies. So by definition "full supporting information, including specific intelligence on key elements of the influence campaign" doesn't support the conclusions.[1] 1. Weapons of Mass Destruction

neaden 10y ago
That was the Bush administration that messed with the evidence there and wildly overstated their case. If you think that Obama is doing something similar here then present some evidence.
- pessimizer 10y ago
  It's them that have the burden of proof, now as then. It's very difficult to prove that evidence that hasn't been offered is false. edit: When it came to WMD, most people who were paying attention believed based on the evidence and the inspectors that there wasn't any; but I assumed that the administration had more evidence for the endless detail and droning on than a single angry defector looking for German citizenship. I was wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_%28informant%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_%28informant%29
- TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
  As an outsider (Australian), it's all the same to me. The US has one political party: The Right. Meddling in the affairs of other nations, conducting proxy wars, arming the world, crushing the little guy. That's how the US Government comes across a lot of the time.