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Apple and Google are far, far worse than Microsoft ever had been and I'd take a Microsoft monopoly any day of the week over those two. You can't do shit these

Apple and Google are far, far worse than Microsoft ever had been and I'd take a Microsoft monopoly any day of the week over those two. You can't do shit these days without having to deal with Apple's ridiculously selfish and tyrannical business model or Google's all-knowing, ever watchful gaze.

smsm42 10y ago
> Apple and Google are far, far worse Worse in which regard? > You can't do shit these days without having to deal with Apple's ridiculously selfish and tyrannical business model Actually I do shit every day these days without coming into contact with Apple's selfish and tyrannical business model. So do millions of other people. iOS developer is a choice, not a sentence. If you don't like it, don't do it. There are tons of other things to do.
- WayneBro 10y ago
  > Worse in which regard? Their respective business models? > Actually I do shit every day... OK, but we're on HN and we're talking about building software and/or webpages... So let me rephrase - you can't make software and/or a webpage without having to deal with Apple and Google in some way. You're either going to have to put it in the app store and do some advertising with Google or you're going to have to make that webpage work with crappy Safari or make it AMP compliant or something else in order to get ahead. Of course you don't HAVE to do that stuff, but then you'll just get left behind. Seeya!
  - smsm42 10y ago
    > Their respective business models? I was expecting some details about why these business models are far, far worse. > So let me rephrase - you can't make software and/or a webpage without having to deal with Apple and Google in some way. If you exclude extra-vague words "is some way", yes you can. Of corse, you'd come into contact with software made by these companies from time to time, but that software would be just like any other you use, regardless of their business model. > You're either going to have to put it in the app store No I don't. I've been gainfully employed as a software developer for more than 2 decades now and never put anything in any app store. > you're going to have to make that webpage work with crappy Safari I've not have to deal with browser compat issues for many years now, but if they exist I'm pretty sure that a) there are toolkits to deal with them, and b) that has nothing to do with business model, every browser has its quirks, including Firefox (in fact, last 2 times I had to deal with browser compat issues the Firefox was the problem and it worked fine in Chrome and Safari - of course, nobody cared about IE).
    - WayneBro 10y ago
      > I was expecting some details... Pretty sure I mentioned those in my initial complaint. > If you exclude extra-vague words... OK, is "the only search engine that matters" too vague? How about "the only app store that makes money"? If you just want to build some software, then fine: you don't have to deal with Apple or Google if you don't want to. If you want to be successful and make money though? You're going to have to deal with one of them whether you like it or not. At the very least, you need Google to search and you need Google to help people find your product. Good luck getting customers if Google removes your pages from their results.

smsm42 10y ago

> Apple and Google are far, far worse Worse in which regard? > You can't do shit these days without having to deal with Apple's ridiculously selfish and tyrannical business model Actually I do shit every day these days without coming into contact with Apple's selfish and tyrannical business model. So do millions of other people. iOS developer is a choice, not a sentence. If you don't like it, don't do it. There are tons of other things to do.

WayneBro 10y ago
> Worse in which regard? Their respective business models? > Actually I do shit every day... OK, but we're on HN and we're talking about building software and/or webpages... So let me rephrase - you can't make software and/or a webpage without having to deal with Apple and Google in some way. You're either going to have to put it in the app store and do some advertising with Google or you're going to have to make that webpage work with crappy Safari or make it AMP compliant or something else in order to get ahead. Of course you don't HAVE to do that stuff, but then you'll just get left behind. Seeya!
- smsm42 10y ago
  > Their respective business models? I was expecting some details about why these business models are far, far worse. > So let me rephrase - you can't make software and/or a webpage without having to deal with Apple and Google in some way. If you exclude extra-vague words "is some way", yes you can. Of corse, you'd come into contact with software made by these companies from time to time, but that software would be just like any other you use, regardless of their business model. > You're either going to have to put it in the app store No I don't. I've been gainfully employed as a software developer for more than 2 decades now and never put anything in any app store. > you're going to have to make that webpage work with crappy Safari I've not have to deal with browser compat issues for many years now, but if they exist I'm pretty sure that a) there are toolkits to deal with them, and b) that has nothing to do with business model, every browser has its quirks, including Firefox (in fact, last 2 times I had to deal with browser compat issues the Firefox was the problem and it worked fine in Chrome and Safari - of course, nobody cared about IE).
  - WayneBro 10y ago
    > I was expecting some details... Pretty sure I mentioned those in my initial complaint. > If you exclude extra-vague words... OK, is "the only search engine that matters" too vague? How about "the only app store that makes money"? If you just want to build some software, then fine: you don't have to deal with Apple or Google if you don't want to. If you want to be successful and make money though? You're going to have to deal with one of them whether you like it or not. At the very least, you need Google to search and you need Google to help people find your product. Good luck getting customers if Google removes your pages from their results.