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I wonder what you are talking about, Opera did stop and turned into a Chrome clone which brought vivaldi and otter into existence to close the gap it left. I d

I wonder what you are talking about, Opera did stop and turned into a Chrome clone which brought vivaldi and otter into existence to close the gap it left. I don't get Where the extra click you are talking about is, either click on open in new tab or open in background tab, same number of click. I'm not sure what kind of customization you are asking for, you want to remove the choice of opening in background tab ? What is this common / default behavior you are talking about ? AFAIK the common, default, standard behavior of right clicking has always been to bring up the contextual menu. Where is it not like that ? I am not aware of vivaldi users requesting a change of the expected behavior to be more chrome like, AFAIK it is the other way around: keep the old opera goodness and keep catering to power users and provide choice.

morganvachon 10y ago
> I don't get Where the extra click you are talking about is, either click on open in new tab or open in background tab, same number of click. Vivaldi: right click -> "Open in new tab" = two clicks Chrome: right click -> "Open in new tab" -> click the newly opened tab = three clicks
- StevePerkins 10y ago
  If you're only opening a single link, then sure. But if you're only opening a single link, then why use a new tab to begin with? Just click the link ("one click!"), and go back to the previous page if and when you want. If I'm opening links in new tabs, its generally because I'm reading a page, and queuing up things to read after I finish that initial page. Some of the old-Opera diehards in this thread are acting like 99% of the browser market has made an objectively "incorrect" UX choice. That is absolute nonsense. You guys don't prefer the old-Opera new tab behavior because of some objective truth, you prefer it simply because that was the old-Opera behavior and you're used to it. Objectively speaking, it is already the behavior of a default single-click to change focus. So if users take extra steps to open links in some different manner, then it's actually kinda weird to expect them to want the same focus-change behavior as if they hadn't taken those extra steps. Which is probably why every other browser has gone in that direction over the past decade. But I can acknowledge that preferences may vary.
  - morganvachon 10y ago
    Are you sure you replied to the right comment? I was correcting a misconception that three clicks equals two clicks, not stating an opinion about the issue. It takes me 30 seconds at most to readjust to a different browser's context menu, and I don't complain about it. I'm certainly not an "old-Opera diehard" as you suggested; I haven't used that browser in over a decade and the only thing I ever liked about it was the email integration, as I stated in another comment.
woah 10y ago
As an aside, what is a "power user" of a web browser? Almost everyone these days in any kind of office job makes very heavy use of the web for research and apps. People proclaiming themselves as "power users" are just trying to imagine that they have some sort of weird superiority because of their idiosyncratic UI preferences. What a strange thing to be proud of.
- Tomis02 10y ago
  You obviously never used Opera 12 :) power user in a browser has the same meaning as everywhere else - someone who is more skilled at using a tool than the average user. For example a regular user will go back to the previous page by pressing the 'back' button, or 'backspace' if they're keyboard inclined. A power user would use the "hold right click - press left click" mouse gesture (or a different variant that involves holding right click down and moving the mouse), which shaves some time off from the whole operation. Same for switching tabs (hold right click + scroll mouse wheel), opening new tabs (mouse gesture), customizing tabs (e.g. on the left side if you have the screen space) and generally knowing what options and features your browser offers. This basically means that as a power user you can do whatever a regular user can do, but more efficiently. It's not a thing to be proud of, or some sort of weird imagined superiority as you put it, it's a fact that in a browser I can do stuff much more efficiently than most of my peers. Of course, this doesn't really matter unless your job revolves around a browser, in which case you could probably shave 10 or more minutes per day (relevant when juggling with tabs a lot, for managers/P.O.s/Scrum masters and such). Of course, the term "power user" doesn't make sense when talking about barebones browsers (like the old IE), just like it doesn't make sense in Git (where everywhere needs to be a power user, you can't just casually use it like in Hg, without spending lots of time learning it).

morganvachon 10y ago

> I don't get Where the extra click you are talking about is, either click on open in new tab or open in background tab, same number of click. Vivaldi: right click -> "Open in new tab" = two clicks Chrome: right click -> "Open in new tab" -> click the newly opened tab = three clicks

StevePerkins 10y ago
If you're only opening a single link, then sure. But if you're only opening a single link, then why use a new tab to begin with? Just click the link ("one click!"), and go back to the previous page if and when you want. If I'm opening links in new tabs, its generally because I'm reading a page, and queuing up things to read after I finish that initial page. Some of the old-Opera diehards in this thread are acting like 99% of the browser market has made an objectively "incorrect" UX choice. That is absolute nonsense. You guys don't prefer the old-Opera new tab behavior because of some objective truth, you prefer it simply because that was the old-Opera behavior and you're used to it. Objectively speaking, it is already the behavior of a default single-click to change focus. So if users take extra steps to open links in some different manner, then it's actually kinda weird to expect them to want the same focus-change behavior as if they hadn't taken those extra steps. Which is probably why every other browser has gone in that direction over the past decade. But I can acknowledge that preferences may vary.
- morganvachon 10y ago
  Are you sure you replied to the right comment? I was correcting a misconception that three clicks equals two clicks, not stating an opinion about the issue. It takes me 30 seconds at most to readjust to a different browser's context menu, and I don't complain about it. I'm certainly not an "old-Opera diehard" as you suggested; I haven't used that browser in over a decade and the only thing I ever liked about it was the email integration, as I stated in another comment.

woah 10y ago

As an aside, what is a "power user" of a web browser? Almost everyone these days in any kind of office job makes very heavy use of the web for research and apps. People proclaiming themselves as "power users" are just trying to imagine that they have some sort of weird superiority because of their idiosyncratic UI preferences. What a strange thing to be proud of.

Tomis02 10y ago
You obviously never used Opera 12 :) power user in a browser has the same meaning as everywhere else - someone who is more skilled at using a tool than the average user. For example a regular user will go back to the previous page by pressing the 'back' button, or 'backspace' if they're keyboard inclined. A power user would use the "hold right click - press left click" mouse gesture (or a different variant that involves holding right click down and moving the mouse), which shaves some time off from the whole operation. Same for switching tabs (hold right click + scroll mouse wheel), opening new tabs (mouse gesture), customizing tabs (e.g. on the left side if you have the screen space) and generally knowing what options and features your browser offers. This basically means that as a power user you can do whatever a regular user can do, but more efficiently. It's not a thing to be proud of, or some sort of weird imagined superiority as you put it, it's a fact that in a browser I can do stuff much more efficiently than most of my peers. Of course, this doesn't really matter unless your job revolves around a browser, in which case you could probably shave 10 or more minutes per day (relevant when juggling with tabs a lot, for managers/P.O.s/Scrum masters and such). Of course, the term "power user" doesn't make sense when talking about barebones browsers (like the old IE), just like it doesn't make sense in Git (where everywhere needs to be a power user, you can't just casually use it like in Hg, without spending lots of time learning it).