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This Midori project looks interesting: http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/ http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/

by NKCSS 10y ago

pjmlp 10y ago
Yes, you should check this presentation as well Safe Systems Programming in C# and .NET https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programming?utm_source=infoq&utm_medium=videos_homepage&utm_campaign=videos_row1 https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programmi... It details some of the Midori project lessons learned and how they impact the design of C# 7, .NET Native and future .NET versions.
- matthewwarren 10y ago
  Yeah that's a great presentation, they did some pretty cool things as part of the Midori project!
krylon 10y ago
It sounds absolutely fascinating, but it's a little sad that it did not go beyond the research stage. Like building a flying car and then hiding it in a garage. I understand how difficult it would have been for Microsoft to turn Midori into a product, but still I would like to see what that would have been like.
- matthewwarren 10y ago
  Well, as I understand it, several of the Midori devs are now working on the Roslyn compiler and/or the CLR. So so of the lessons learnt will make it into the runtime, so at least that's something. But yeah it would be nice if they could open-source it.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  Well, part of it has become .NET Native, C# 7 ref types, struct based tuples, vector spans and influenced the design of WinRT. So that is something.
- serbrech 10y ago
  I don't agree. I think it's one of the strength of a large corp like MS. They are able to separate research and prototyping from product development. You don't turn a research project into a product. You learn from it and incorporate it into your products
  - krylon 10y ago
    I think they could have turned it into a product if they had wanted to. They had, however, a very, very good reason not to - it probably would not have been backwards compatible with Win32, so the huge amount of third-party software that exists today could not have run on it. And that - whether one likes Windows or not - is a very compelling selling point. So things they learned building Midori will trickle back into the Windows/.Net world. I agree that that is what a good research department is for. But still, it would have been nice to take Midori for a test drive and see what it would have been like.

This Midori project looks interesting: http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/ http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/

by NKCSS 10y ago

This Midori project looks interesting: http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/ http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/

pjmlp 10y ago

Yes, you should check this presentation as well Safe Systems Programming in C# and .NET https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programming?utm_source=infoq&utm_medium=videos_homepage&utm_campaign=videos_row1 https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programmi... It details some of the Midori project lessons learned and how they impact the design of C# 7, .NET Native and future .NET versions.

matthewwarren 10y ago
Yeah that's a great presentation, they did some pretty cool things as part of the Midori project!

krylon 10y ago

It sounds absolutely fascinating, but it's a little sad that it did not go beyond the research stage. Like building a flying car and then hiding it in a garage. I understand how difficult it would have been for Microsoft to turn Midori into a product, but still I would like to see what that would have been like.

matthewwarren 10y ago
Well, as I understand it, several of the Midori devs are now working on the Roslyn compiler and/or the CLR. So so of the lessons learnt will make it into the runtime, so at least that's something. But yeah it would be nice if they could open-source it.
pjmlp 10y ago
Well, part of it has become .NET Native, C# 7 ref types, struct based tuples, vector spans and influenced the design of WinRT. So that is something.
serbrech 10y ago
I don't agree. I think it's one of the strength of a large corp like MS. They are able to separate research and prototyping from product development. You don't turn a research project into a product. You learn from it and incorporate it into your products
- krylon 10y ago
  I think they could have turned it into a product if they had wanted to. They had, however, a very, very good reason not to - it probably would not have been backwards compatible with Win32, so the huge amount of third-party software that exists today could not have run on it. And that - whether one likes Windows or not - is a very compelling selling point. So things they learned building Midori will trickle back into the Windows/.Net world. I agree that that is what a good research department is for. But still, it would have been nice to take Midori for a test drive and see what it would have been like.