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> The alternative solutions aren't great. $36 a year to store a couple megabytes of data is outlandish. If you'd like to transition us to this from Dropbox, the

> The alternative solutions aren't great. $36 a year to store a couple megabytes of data is outlandish. If you'd like to transition us to this from Dropbox, the price must be drastically reduced. I've found AgileBits a bit weird in some of the decisions. It's clear that selling a password manager for $65 is no longer working well for the company, and so the subscriptions were introduced (IIRC, shared vaults exist only in the subscription). But as the OP says in the forum post, the subscription prices are quite high from a value standpoint when people have been using Dropbox or iCloud or something else all along. I've seen that AgileBits is also a bit slow to learn from customer feedback (like the MAS-only fiasco a few years ago). As more and more apps move toward a subscription model than a one-time pay-for-a-major-version model, I foresee more customer backlash on prices. Edit: This backlash against subscription has already happened on the app store for Facetune and Infuse, to name two apps.

kevinr 10y ago
You can share 1Password vaults with any kind of shared storage: Dropbox, Perforce, NFS, whatever. AFAICT the only thing 1Password.com provides is a nice, in-band UI for doing so.
- halostatue 10y ago
  It also provides access controls in a way that other sharing mechanisms do not. Most of these are not available on the Family sharing plan (which I’m using for my family), but the enterprise version is comparable with what LastPass enterprise offers.
baldfat 10y ago
lastpass is still $12 and on Android it is AMAZING. I just sign in with my finger and it will fill out all the passwords in apps. I got my first phone with a finger print reader (LG V20) and I was up and running signed in with every account in 1/4 of the time. I still have my bank account memorized but other then that lastpass has been awesome for me for close to 5 years.
- jzl 10y ago
  And did you know that Lastpass for mobile is now free? I use Lastpass too and love it. Was also paying $12 but this was a nice little gift. You have to go into your prefs and switch off automatic payments if you want to switch to a free account. https://blog.lastpass.com/2016/11/get-lastpass-everywhere-multi-device-access-is-now-free.html/ https://blog.lastpass.com/2016/11/get-lastpass-everywhere-mu...
  - baldfat 10y ago
    I'll still pay because it is worth the $1 a month and keep it going.
pvg 10y ago
How is this related to the issue reported and how does it 'make it clear' selling a password manager is working well for the company? This particular user seems to believe that if 1Password turned malicious, their Dropbox permissions would somehow protect them. Which they won't, at all.
- newscracker 10y ago
  I quoted the text from the user's post in my comment: > The alternative solutions aren't great. $36 a year to store a couple megabytes of data is outlandish. If you'd like to transition us to this from Dropbox, the price must be drastically reduced. That $36 is a subscription price for the alternative, which the author mentioned as "outlandish" in that forum post. And what's wrong in saying that the company moved to subscriptions because the $65 one time sale is not working out very well? One the company's website, the pricing page lists only the subscriptions prominently. One would have to either know that there is a standalone license or scroll down to the bottom of the page to find out that a standalone license exists. For a sale page, it clearly uses a dark pattern to make it seem like subscription is the only way there. Even the page name in the URL is "sign-up".
  - pvg 10y ago
    Because you seem to think that a) the user's complaint makes sense and b) the reason they don't 'fix' it is because they want to make the user pay $36/yr. Both of these are obviously inaccurate.
jasonpbecker 10y ago
As someone who buys this for every employee at his organization, I couldn't disagree more. It's a huge deal that I can control who shares and sees what vault, turn off an employee's access as soon as they are leaving the company, revoke tokens, etc. Before this we were using Dropbox and it was a nightmare. Credentials for a bunch of things were mixed up in the wrong vaults, far more duplication, revoking access was more of a pain, etc. 1Password for a family sharing may not be worth it, maybe not even for a small 5 person shop with a very stable set of employees who are all savvy. But with 25 or so people with varying level of technical expertise and actually critical information being shared, 1Password's subscription is a godsend.
- halostatue 10y ago
  I have 1Password for family sharing (the online service), and it’s totally worth it. I’ve been a 1Password user since the AgileBits blog was the “Switcher’s Blog” and have bought every version they have released for Mac and iOS because it does exactly what they say it does, and they review their security pretty regularly. (It helps that I’ve met people on the team, but that‘s a secondary matter.) For US$48 per year (I have the launch special, but it saves me $12/year), I have four people currently signed up (I could add three more; again, the launch special gives me two extra) where we can share passwords. I also have any major version of the software released now for any platform. More importantly, I have been able to get my parents on 1Password reliably in a way that if they are incapacitated, my brother or I can use their accounts to make sure bills are paid when they should be (at least, that will happen when we have all of their accounts added to 1Password, but that’s a relatively small thing now). This is important because neither I nor my brother live near my parents (I’m in a different country). The software versions? Pretty important: I’m on Mac and iOS; my brother is on Mac and Android; my mom is on Windows and iOS; and my dad is on Windows and iOS and Android. Keeping those up-to-date with major versions would eventually get more expensive than the peace-of-mind that I have now. LastPass does all of this cheaper at scale for companies ($2.40–$4/user/month) than 1Password ($4–$11/user/month) but the UX for LastPass is abysmal (although it does have a dedicated Linux client for those who need that)…and I honestly don’t trust LogMeIn at all. The other one that I have any opinions about is Dashlane, and it’s second/third-hand that it’s pretty good software (I haven’t used it because I’ve integrated 1Password in my workflow so deeply). Yes, 1Password for families is worth every penny I pay.

kevinr 10y ago

You can share 1Password vaults with any kind of shared storage: Dropbox, Perforce, NFS, whatever. AFAICT the only thing 1Password.com provides is a nice, in-band UI for doing so.

halostatue 10y ago
It also provides access controls in a way that other sharing mechanisms do not. Most of these are not available on the Family sharing plan (which I’m using for my family), but the enterprise version is comparable with what LastPass enterprise offers.

baldfat 10y ago

lastpass is still $12 and on Android it is AMAZING. I just sign in with my finger and it will fill out all the passwords in apps. I got my first phone with a finger print reader (LG V20) and I was up and running signed in with every account in 1/4 of the time. I still have my bank account memorized but other then that lastpass has been awesome for me for close to 5 years.

jzl 10y ago
And did you know that Lastpass for mobile is now free? I use Lastpass too and love it. Was also paying $12 but this was a nice little gift. You have to go into your prefs and switch off automatic payments if you want to switch to a free account. https://blog.lastpass.com/2016/11/get-lastpass-everywhere-multi-device-access-is-now-free.html/ https://blog.lastpass.com/2016/11/get-lastpass-everywhere-mu...
- baldfat 10y ago
  I'll still pay because it is worth the $1 a month and keep it going.

pvg 10y ago

How is this related to the issue reported and how does it 'make it clear' selling a password manager is working well for the company? This particular user seems to believe that if 1Password turned malicious, their Dropbox permissions would somehow protect them. Which they won't, at all.

newscracker 10y ago
I quoted the text from the user's post in my comment: > The alternative solutions aren't great. $36 a year to store a couple megabytes of data is outlandish. If you'd like to transition us to this from Dropbox, the price must be drastically reduced. That $36 is a subscription price for the alternative, which the author mentioned as "outlandish" in that forum post. And what's wrong in saying that the company moved to subscriptions because the $65 one time sale is not working out very well? One the company's website, the pricing page lists only the subscriptions prominently. One would have to either know that there is a standalone license or scroll down to the bottom of the page to find out that a standalone license exists. For a sale page, it clearly uses a dark pattern to make it seem like subscription is the only way there. Even the page name in the URL is "sign-up".
- pvg 10y ago
  Because you seem to think that a) the user's complaint makes sense and b) the reason they don't 'fix' it is because they want to make the user pay $36/yr. Both of these are obviously inaccurate.

jasonpbecker 10y ago

As someone who buys this for every employee at his organization, I couldn't disagree more. It's a huge deal that I can control who shares and sees what vault, turn off an employee's access as soon as they are leaving the company, revoke tokens, etc. Before this we were using Dropbox and it was a nightmare. Credentials for a bunch of things were mixed up in the wrong vaults, far more duplication, revoking access was more of a pain, etc. 1Password for a family sharing may not be worth it, maybe not even for a small 5 person shop with a very stable set of employees who are all savvy. But with 25 or so people with varying level of technical expertise and actually critical information being shared, 1Password's subscription is a godsend.

halostatue 10y ago
I have 1Password for family sharing (the online service), and it’s totally worth it. I’ve been a 1Password user since the AgileBits blog was the “Switcher’s Blog” and have bought every version they have released for Mac and iOS because it does exactly what they say it does, and they review their security pretty regularly. (It helps that I’ve met people on the team, but that‘s a secondary matter.) For US$48 per year (I have the launch special, but it saves me $12/year), I have four people currently signed up (I could add three more; again, the launch special gives me two extra) where we can share passwords. I also have any major version of the software released now for any platform. More importantly, I have been able to get my parents on 1Password reliably in a way that if they are incapacitated, my brother or I can use their accounts to make sure bills are paid when they should be (at least, that will happen when we have all of their accounts added to 1Password, but that’s a relatively small thing now). This is important because neither I nor my brother live near my parents (I’m in a different country). The software versions? Pretty important: I’m on Mac and iOS; my brother is on Mac and Android; my mom is on Windows and iOS; and my dad is on Windows and iOS and Android. Keeping those up-to-date with major versions would eventually get more expensive than the peace-of-mind that I have now. LastPass does all of this cheaper at scale for companies ($2.40–$4/user/month) than 1Password ($4–$11/user/month) but the UX for LastPass is abysmal (although it does have a dedicated Linux client for those who need that)…and I honestly don’t trust LogMeIn at all. The other one that I have any opinions about is Dashlane, and it’s second/third-hand that it’s pretty good software (I haven’t used it because I’ve integrated 1Password in my workflow so deeply). Yes, 1Password for families is worth every penny I pay.