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>I just don't WANT a re-implementation of Opera from 15 years ago. I'm sorry, but desktop email is dead for most of us. Well, those "most of you" clearly are n

by Aoyagi 10y ago

>I just don't WANT a re-implementation of Opera from 15 years ago. I'm sorry, but desktop email is dead for most of us. Well, those "most of you" clearly are not the target audience. And you're not the majority either, I should add. Sounds like you just want Chrome, to be frank.

StevePerkins 10y ago
Nope. Like I said, I use Opera: * It still has a more impressive array of power user features than Chrome or Firefoxv * It's sync service is more reliable than the other two. * It works with Chrome extensions, and has no compatibility issues with websites (unless a site is stupid enough to check with User-Agent headers, and those can be spoofed with an extension in the worst-case). * Last but not least, Opera has the best mobile browser on the planet (something that isn't even on Vivaldi's radar yet), supporting sync between your desktop and mobile instances. Basically, it's the perfect blend of power and acknowledgment of contemporary reality today. Now don't get me wrong... I'm nervous about Opera's recent sale to China, and I certainly could be swayed toward something else. But Vivaldi feels like little more than a "protest" of Opera changes since ver. 12, and I believe that the protesters are in the minority of what is already a small community to begin with. I wish them well, but would love to see them be something truly different. Go truly open source, instead of making your code publicly visible yet still proprietary. Give more customization options, so users can choose between old-Opera or modern-browser behaviors. No one seriously expects you to "take over the world", but don't just be Opera 12.1 forever out of spite.
- bigbugbag 10y ago
  From what you say, it seems to me you don't use opera, but the chrome skin they decided to keep the name of the actual browser for marketing reasons. I use opera since version 8.5 and I had to pin the v12.16 package to keep using it, which I still do today because there is no alternative to the features it had. And I have no idea what you are talking about, the whole opera supporters who supported it through the years pretty much agree the blink based opera sucks really hard and are happy to have vivaldi as an attempt to get back the awesomeness opera lost when it switched to making profit first.
  - StevePerkins 10y ago
    Hey man, Opera has a tremendous legacy of innovation in the WWW, and I'm honestly glad that some entity is carrying on the old Opera spirit for you guys. You're a tiny community, but a passionate one. I'm just saying that it's not realistic to expect Vivaldi to significantly influence the industry today, the way that old Opera did 15 years ago. If you desire serious adoption, then you're making choices that set you up for a battle you're not going to win. If you don't care whether Vivaldi gets any traction at all, and are just glad that someone's keeping Opera 12.x going, then that's cool too. But I dunno... if Opera 12.x wasn't a viable business model, then how is Vivaldi going to financially sustain itself over the long term either?
- Aoyagi 10y ago
  >I use Opera You might want to be more specific than that. Are you using version 12 or earlier, or 15 and later (currently sitting at about 43)? >Opera has the best mobile browser on the planet I haven't checked recently, but last I remember you couldn't disable Opera Turbo. >don't just be Opera 12.1 forever out of spite Well, Vivaldi already has some features O12 does not have, while at the same time not having some features O12 does have (Dragonfly, IRC, nice page info, etc.) and probably never getting those... Again, you don't seem like the audience Vivaldi targets to.
  - StevePerkins 10y ago
    From the context of everything I've been saying, obviously I'm using the current Blink-based version of Opera. Not deliberately using an older version, for which you have search Google to even find a download link. I suspect that Vivaldi's target audience is limited to the niche of people who would think to ask. BTW, you can disable Turbo in the current versions of both desktop and mobile.

by Aoyagi 10y ago

StevePerkins 10y ago

Nope. Like I said, I use Opera: * It still has a more impressive array of power user features than Chrome or Firefoxv * It's sync service is more reliable than the other two. * It works with Chrome extensions, and has no compatibility issues with websites (unless a site is stupid enough to check with User-Agent headers, and those can be spoofed with an extension in the worst-case). * Last but not least, Opera has the best mobile browser on the planet (something that isn't even on Vivaldi's radar yet), supporting sync between your desktop and mobile instances. Basically, it's the perfect blend of power and acknowledgment of contemporary reality today. Now don't get me wrong... I'm nervous about Opera's recent sale to China, and I certainly could be swayed toward something else. But Vivaldi feels like little more than a "protest" of Opera changes since ver. 12, and I believe that the protesters are in the minority of what is already a small community to begin with. I wish them well, but would love to see them be something truly different. Go truly open source, instead of making your code publicly visible yet still proprietary. Give more customization options, so users can choose between old-Opera or modern-browser behaviors. No one seriously expects you to "take over the world", but don't just be Opera 12.1 forever out of spite.

bigbugbag 10y ago
From what you say, it seems to me you don't use opera, but the chrome skin they decided to keep the name of the actual browser for marketing reasons. I use opera since version 8.5 and I had to pin the v12.16 package to keep using it, which I still do today because there is no alternative to the features it had. And I have no idea what you are talking about, the whole opera supporters who supported it through the years pretty much agree the blink based opera sucks really hard and are happy to have vivaldi as an attempt to get back the awesomeness opera lost when it switched to making profit first.
- StevePerkins 10y ago
  Hey man, Opera has a tremendous legacy of innovation in the WWW, and I'm honestly glad that some entity is carrying on the old Opera spirit for you guys. You're a tiny community, but a passionate one. I'm just saying that it's not realistic to expect Vivaldi to significantly influence the industry today, the way that old Opera did 15 years ago. If you desire serious adoption, then you're making choices that set you up for a battle you're not going to win. If you don't care whether Vivaldi gets any traction at all, and are just glad that someone's keeping Opera 12.x going, then that's cool too. But I dunno... if Opera 12.x wasn't a viable business model, then how is Vivaldi going to financially sustain itself over the long term either?
Aoyagi 10y ago
>I use Opera You might want to be more specific than that. Are you using version 12 or earlier, or 15 and later (currently sitting at about 43)? >Opera has the best mobile browser on the planet I haven't checked recently, but last I remember you couldn't disable Opera Turbo. >don't just be Opera 12.1 forever out of spite Well, Vivaldi already has some features O12 does not have, while at the same time not having some features O12 does have (Dragonfly, IRC, nice page info, etc.) and probably never getting those... Again, you don't seem like the audience Vivaldi targets to.
- StevePerkins 10y ago
  From the context of everything I've been saying, obviously I'm using the current Blink-based version of Opera. Not deliberately using an older version, for which you have search Google to even find a download link. I suspect that Vivaldi's target audience is limited to the niche of people who would think to ask. BTW, you can disable Turbo in the current versions of both desktop and mobile.