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(shill alert: former Google and Mozilla employee) "They just want products that work" sounds like an explanation of why people buy iPhones, because I don't kno

(shill alert: former Google and Mozilla employee) "They just want products that work" sounds like an explanation of why people buy iPhones, because I don't know anyone who's had that experience with Google products (other than Chrome, I suppose). It's so bad that I've stopped even considering giving a Google product to family. They quickly get fed up with the Android phone or Chromebook and replace it with something else, like an iPhone or a macbook or a windows laptop. Personally, I've owned about 6 different Android devices, and all of them either stopped getting essential firmware updates, or broke of their own volition. Most recently my Nexus 5X randomly stopped working, and then the warranty replacement spontaneously corrupted its internal flash a week after I got it. In my experience, buying from Google directly is worse than buying from third parties. Still not gonna buy an iPhone though, because I like being able to actually run free and open software on my phone. P.S. are you going to argue that Safari is the only good browser and the others all suck, just because tons of people use Safari? The real answer is that Safari's market dominance is in large part due to the iPhone and iPod banning third-party browsers, aside from whether Safari is a good browser at all (at most, it's a decent one).

tornadoboy55 10y ago
> "They just want products that work" sounds like an explanation of why people buy iPhones, because I don't know anyone who's had that experience with Google products (other than Chrome, I suppose). Uhm... Gmail is an amazing Google product that people are very happy with, and that (at introduction) had no equal. Same goes for Maps.. at introduction there was nothing like it, and it has only gotten better. Hell, Apple Maps still sucks if you're not in the US. YouTube is (arguably) another product that people are very happy using. And Safari is an amazing browser. The macOS version is by far the most battery friendly of all browsers (where Chrome and Firefox have an 'energy use' of 40-50 when playing H264, Safari is in the low 20s). The tricks used to get there are too many to name, but I take my hat off to Apple for going the extra mile. The iOS version is also very very battery friendly and oh so smooth.. although since all browsers have to use Safari's webkit backend, there isn't really a good way to compare. Plus this: https://github.com/5digits/dactyl/issues/99#issuecomment-263059394 https://github.com/5digits/dactyl/issues/99#issuecomment-263...
4minute 10y ago
"because I don't know anyone who's had that experience with Google products (other than Chrome, I suppose)." You don't know anyone who has used Gmail, Youtube, or Google search before? "It's so bad that I've stopped even considering giving a Google product to family. They quickly get fed up with the Android phone or Chromebook and replace it with something else, like an iPhone or a macbook or a windows laptop." Those aren't Google products. Those are Samsung, Acer, or whoever decides to use Android/Chrome OS. How do you not understand this? You worked for Google. You should know that they don't actually build physical products, except for the Pixel. I think the Pixel is the first phone they built. They don't even control the Android on the Galaxy S. Samsung does. They decide what goes on and in the phone. Google doesn't. I'm not going to argue Safari is a good browser lol. Firefox and Chrome are the only browser I will ever use, but right now I'm using Chrome because it has the best browsing experience out of all of them.

tornadoboy55 10y ago

> "They just want products that work" sounds like an explanation of why people buy iPhones, because I don't know anyone who's had that experience with Google products (other than Chrome, I suppose). Uhm... Gmail is an amazing Google product that people are very happy with, and that (at introduction) had no equal. Same goes for Maps.. at introduction there was nothing like it, and it has only gotten better. Hell, Apple Maps still sucks if you're not in the US. YouTube is (arguably) another product that people are very happy using. And Safari is an amazing browser. The macOS version is by far the most battery friendly of all browsers (where Chrome and Firefox have an 'energy use' of 40-50 when playing H264, Safari is in the low 20s). The tricks used to get there are too many to name, but I take my hat off to Apple for going the extra mile. The iOS version is also very very battery friendly and oh so smooth.. although since all browsers have to use Safari's webkit backend, there isn't really a good way to compare. Plus this: https://github.com/5digits/dactyl/issues/99#issuecomment-263059394 https://github.com/5digits/dactyl/issues/99#issuecomment-263...

4minute 10y ago

"because I don't know anyone who's had that experience with Google products (other than Chrome, I suppose)." You don't know anyone who has used Gmail, Youtube, or Google search before? "It's so bad that I've stopped even considering giving a Google product to family. They quickly get fed up with the Android phone or Chromebook and replace it with something else, like an iPhone or a macbook or a windows laptop." Those aren't Google products. Those are Samsung, Acer, or whoever decides to use Android/Chrome OS. How do you not understand this? You worked for Google. You should know that they don't actually build physical products, except for the Pixel. I think the Pixel is the first phone they built. They don't even control the Android on the Galaxy S. Samsung does. They decide what goes on and in the phone. Google doesn't. I'm not going to argue Safari is a good browser lol. Firefox and Chrome are the only browser I will ever use, but right now I'm using Chrome because it has the best browsing experience out of all of them.