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As an old Opera user I really want to like Vivaldi, but the weird titlebar without title and especially the non-native menubar really turn me off (in a native m

As an old Opera user I really want to like Vivaldi, but the weird titlebar without title and especially the non-native menubar really turn me off (in a native menubar under Windows, once you click a menu, you can just move your mouse without clicking to navigate the rest of the menus. In Vivaldi's menubar, you can't, making the menus way clunkier to navigate). For this reason, I actually find the experience of Otter Browser (http://www.otter-browser.org/ http://www.otter-browser.org/) to be closer to Opera's than that of Vivaldi: even if Otter is more bare-bones in terms of functionality, it really gets the efficient UX feel better. I encourage old Opera fans to check it out as well. I hope the Vivaldi team fixes these so I can really like it. Some of my previous turnoffs (like lack of "click tab to minimize") were implemented so I'm hopeful... although not too hopeful because this menu implementation has been there for quite long so they don't seem to take the menubar too seriously.

Aoyagi 10y ago
I was asking for a proper native title bar possibly a year ago since I'm using the "classic" Windows theme and that's just ideal. It doesn't take up much space and it shows the whole page title. http://puu.sh/tcYJ7/b7479e05cd.png http://puu.sh/tcYJ7/b7479e05cd.png
- atlemo 10y ago
  Have you seen this setting? Apperance -> Window Appearance -> Use Native Window https://www.dropbox.com/s/d4ew5ptyusm4cjb/Screenshot%202017-01-06%2012.27.41.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/d4ew5ptyusm4cjb/Screenshot%202017-... You can also choose between horizontal menu on top, or "Vivaldi Menu" in the top left.
  - fredoralive 10y ago
    Doesn't work properly on Windows, you just just get a blank title bar with only the window controls at right (not even the window icon / menu on the left appears). Does work correctly on Mac OS though.
tomw2005 10y ago
> I encourage old Opera fans to check it out as well. Did something happen to Opera to make it lose fans? I tried it a long time ago (pre-Chrome) and enjoyed it then but eventually ended up on Chrome. Are there any particular criticisms of the current version of Opera?
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  The last true version of Opera was 12.18, which is slowly bit-rotting to death, e.g. a number of modern https ciphers simply don't work. Opera ASA then jumped to v15, which was a chrome fork with some branding, half-heartedly added a handful of features, and tried to pretend Opera 12 never happened. Then the browser part of the business was sold to a chinese malware company.
  - StavrosK 10y ago
    And the tragedy is that Opera was the most innovative and light browser out of all of them. I used to run Opera on my old machine with 16 MB of RAM because it was literally the only browser that was usable. Mouse gestures, tabs, integrated mail/rss/newsgroups client, and even a fricking web app platform for personal use made it the best browser then, and even now. It was always standards-compliant, but got a bad rap because of lazy designers who just tested in FF and IE and called it a day. Opera Unite, in particular, the web app platform, was fantastic. They gave you a dynamic hostname with Opera and allowed you to run apps like photo albums and blogs straight from your browser (which had an embedded webserver if you enabled the feature), so people could publish their content completely decentralized, right from their computer and browser.

Aoyagi 10y ago

I was asking for a proper native title bar possibly a year ago since I'm using the "classic" Windows theme and that's just ideal. It doesn't take up much space and it shows the whole page title. http://puu.sh/tcYJ7/b7479e05cd.png http://puu.sh/tcYJ7/b7479e05cd.png

atlemo 10y ago
Have you seen this setting? Apperance -> Window Appearance -> Use Native Window https://www.dropbox.com/s/d4ew5ptyusm4cjb/Screenshot%202017-01-06%2012.27.41.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/d4ew5ptyusm4cjb/Screenshot%202017-... You can also choose between horizontal menu on top, or "Vivaldi Menu" in the top left.
- fredoralive 10y ago
  Doesn't work properly on Windows, you just just get a blank title bar with only the window controls at right (not even the window icon / menu on the left appears). Does work correctly on Mac OS though.

tomw2005 10y ago

> I encourage old Opera fans to check it out as well. Did something happen to Opera to make it lose fans? I tried it a long time ago (pre-Chrome) and enjoyed it then but eventually ended up on Chrome. Are there any particular criticisms of the current version of Opera?

Mithaldu 10y ago
The last true version of Opera was 12.18, which is slowly bit-rotting to death, e.g. a number of modern https ciphers simply don't work. Opera ASA then jumped to v15, which was a chrome fork with some branding, half-heartedly added a handful of features, and tried to pretend Opera 12 never happened. Then the browser part of the business was sold to a chinese malware company.
- StavrosK 10y ago
  And the tragedy is that Opera was the most innovative and light browser out of all of them. I used to run Opera on my old machine with 16 MB of RAM because it was literally the only browser that was usable. Mouse gestures, tabs, integrated mail/rss/newsgroups client, and even a fricking web app platform for personal use made it the best browser then, and even now. It was always standards-compliant, but got a bad rap because of lazy designers who just tested in FF and IE and called it a day. Opera Unite, in particular, the web app platform, was fantastic. They gave you a dynamic hostname with Opera and allowed you to run apps like photo albums and blogs straight from your browser (which had an embedded webserver if you enabled the feature), so people could publish their content completely decentralized, right from their computer and browser.