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I could've given it a try if it was opensource. But because it's closed I immediately classify it as vaporware, and as the browser is one of the two centers of

by gkya 10y ago

I could've given it a try if it was opensource. But because it's closed I immediately classify it as vaporware, and as the browser is one of the two centers of my daily computing (the other being emacs), I won't invest in vaporware. I believe that opensourcing is the best choice of the company behind this.

jaredklewis 10y ago
You are using the word vaporware in a very odd way. Vaporware is stuff that won't actually come into existence. Vivaldi has already been publically available for nearly a year.
- gkya 10y ago
  Sorry, yes, I intended "software that'll become useless, unmaintained and outdated rather quickly".
  - Guest98123 10y ago
    Abandonware.
  - Elv13 10y ago
    That's pre-abandonware
    - StavrosK 10y ago
      I.e. "software".
  - Karunamon 10y ago
    <snark>If I had a penny for every useless, unmaintained, and outdated open source project...</snark>
    - vortico 10y ago
      ...you'd have more pennies than me if I had a penny for every unmaintained commercial software.
      - vortico 10y ago
        Whoops, meant to say "fewer" but now I can't edit. I just negated my point.
    - executesorder66 10y ago
      The great thing about useless, unmaintened, and outdated open source projects, is that anyone can pick it up, and turn it into a useful, maintained and updated project. If it was a closed source project you'd have to start from scratch every time if you wanted to restart the project.
      - bigbugbag 10y ago
        This is quite a bold statement to make. Instead of anyone you should have said someone, particularly someone with a large amount of money, free time and will, in other words very few people. Depending on the size and complexity of the project it could be too much for a single someone to attempt. It is not unheard of that someone tried and abandoned but would probably have achieved their goal by starting from scratch rather that attempting to revive an outdated unmaintained project.
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joshuata 10y ago
The source is available at https://vivaldi.com/source/?lang=en_US https://vivaldi.com/source/?lang=en_US
- gkya 10y ago
  What about the licence? There are five-six xz'ed tarballs there, each ~600 MBs.
  - bigbugbag 10y ago
    Copyright 2017 Vivaldi Technologies AS. All rights reserved. 1. This End User License Agreement ("EULA") governs your use ("You") of the browser software in executable form ("Software") and any ancillary services ("Services") provided to You by Vivaldi Technology AS ("Vivaldi") to the exclusion of all other terms and conditions. Source code used in the Software, under open source license agreements, can be obtained at https://vivaldi.com/source https://vivaldi.com/source.
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  That is not the source, that's just their chromium patches.
- bigbugbag 10y ago
  Why is everyone so confused about this, is it really so difficult to read the about of vivaldi or the first paragraph of the EULA ?
tornadoboy55 10y ago
> Closed source = vaporware Then why has Firefox been the 'shit' browser for the better part of a decade now? Best battery life (usually by a 2-4h difference!) -> use Edge/Safari Best stability -> use Chrome Best performance -> use Blink-based browser Most extensions -> use Firefox (Chrome has 90% of the FF extensions available though) Hell, Firefox still doesn't have e10s fully working, so one tab takes down the entire browser. Slow sites lock up the UI. Scrolling sometimes still isn't smooth. Plus, Firefox is ugly, especially on mobile. and whilst its admirable they still prop up Gecko, its a substandard rendering engine compared to Webkit, Blink or Trident/EdgeHMTL.
- m45t3r 10y ago
  Low memory usage is a Firefox win at least, partially because they don't have true multi process yet. I would gladly switch to Firefox on my dev machine (opening both Photoshop, Visual Studio and Chrome in a 8GB RAM system is a recipe to disaster), if their development tools didn't suck.
  - tornadoboy55 10y ago
    Do you you use macOS, Linux or Windows? Because if it's the first, that's pretty weird behavior. macOS is very good at compressing and vacating memory as necessary..
- webmaven 10y ago
  Given your interest in rendering engines, you may be interested in the work being done by Mozilla folks on Servo: https://servo.org/ https://servo.org/
- bigbugbag 10y ago
  You want to give domination of the internet to one giant tax evading transnational advertising company -> use chrome / blink based browser. Sorry but not everyone thinks in short term personal interest, some prefer to see the internet and web as a collective good that has to be preserved with a long term vision. I have a lot of criticism of mozilla and firefox but I would not ever advise anyone to use a GAFM (Google, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft) product or service.
nol13 10y ago
I've read their site and I can't figure out what they're selling me, what's the business model here? Edit: Never mind, homepage ads I see. Eh easy enough to close them out..

by gkya 10y ago

jaredklewis 10y ago

You are using the word vaporware in a very odd way. Vaporware is stuff that won't actually come into existence. Vivaldi has already been publically available for nearly a year.

gkya 10y ago
Sorry, yes, I intended "software that'll become useless, unmaintained and outdated rather quickly".
- Guest98123 10y ago
  Abandonware.
- Elv13 10y ago
  That's pre-abandonware
  - StavrosK 10y ago
    I.e. "software".
- Karunamon 10y ago
  <snark>If I had a penny for every useless, unmaintained, and outdated open source project...</snark>
  - vortico 10y ago
    ...you'd have more pennies than me if I had a penny for every unmaintained commercial software.
    - vortico 10y ago
      Whoops, meant to say "fewer" but now I can't edit. I just negated my point.
  - executesorder66 10y ago
    The great thing about useless, unmaintened, and outdated open source projects, is that anyone can pick it up, and turn it into a useful, maintained and updated project. If it was a closed source project you'd have to start from scratch every time if you wanted to restart the project.
    - bigbugbag 10y ago
      This is quite a bold statement to make. Instead of anyone you should have said someone, particularly someone with a large amount of money, free time and will, in other words very few people. Depending on the size and complexity of the project it could be too much for a single someone to attempt. It is not unheard of that someone tried and abandoned but would probably have achieved their goal by starting from scratch rather that attempting to revive an outdated unmaintained project.

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joshuata 10y ago

The source is available at https://vivaldi.com/source/?lang=en_US https://vivaldi.com/source/?lang=en_US

gkya 10y ago
What about the licence? There are five-six xz'ed tarballs there, each ~600 MBs.
- bigbugbag 10y ago
  Copyright 2017 Vivaldi Technologies AS. All rights reserved. 1. This End User License Agreement ("EULA") governs your use ("You") of the browser software in executable form ("Software") and any ancillary services ("Services") provided to You by Vivaldi Technology AS ("Vivaldi") to the exclusion of all other terms and conditions. Source code used in the Software, under open source license agreements, can be obtained at https://vivaldi.com/source https://vivaldi.com/source.
Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
That is not the source, that's just their chromium patches.
bigbugbag 10y ago
Why is everyone so confused about this, is it really so difficult to read the about of vivaldi or the first paragraph of the EULA ?

tornadoboy55 10y ago

> Closed source = vaporware Then why has Firefox been the 'shit' browser for the better part of a decade now? Best battery life (usually by a 2-4h difference!) -> use Edge/Safari Best stability -> use Chrome Best performance -> use Blink-based browser Most extensions -> use Firefox (Chrome has 90% of the FF extensions available though) Hell, Firefox still doesn't have e10s fully working, so one tab takes down the entire browser. Slow sites lock up the UI. Scrolling sometimes still isn't smooth. Plus, Firefox is ugly, especially on mobile. and whilst its admirable they still prop up Gecko, its a substandard rendering engine compared to Webkit, Blink or Trident/EdgeHMTL.

m45t3r 10y ago
Low memory usage is a Firefox win at least, partially because they don't have true multi process yet. I would gladly switch to Firefox on my dev machine (opening both Photoshop, Visual Studio and Chrome in a 8GB RAM system is a recipe to disaster), if their development tools didn't suck.
- tornadoboy55 10y ago
  Do you you use macOS, Linux or Windows? Because if it's the first, that's pretty weird behavior. macOS is very good at compressing and vacating memory as necessary..
webmaven 10y ago
Given your interest in rendering engines, you may be interested in the work being done by Mozilla folks on Servo: https://servo.org/ https://servo.org/
bigbugbag 10y ago
You want to give domination of the internet to one giant tax evading transnational advertising company -> use chrome / blink based browser. Sorry but not everyone thinks in short term personal interest, some prefer to see the internet and web as a collective good that has to be preserved with a long term vision. I have a lot of criticism of mozilla and firefox but I would not ever advise anyone to use a GAFM (Google, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft) product or service.

nol13 10y ago

I've read their site and I can't figure out what they're selling me, what's the business model here? Edit: Never mind, homepage ads I see. Eh easy enough to close them out..