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You're actually making the issue worse by conflating burnout with simple... I guess laziness? In fact the whole reason why burnout is such a fascinating phenome

by 1_2__3 10y ago

You're actually making the issue worse by conflating burnout with simple... I guess laziness? In fact the whole reason why burnout is such a fascinating phenomenon is because it takes otherwise highly productivity people who do not hate their job and turns them into minimal-productivity people who do hate their jobs. That's nothing at all like you're describing.

debt 10y ago
So people who love their jobs can also burn out? I don't buy it. Personally, I've never heard of or met anyone who loves their job and has burned out. Have you?
- jwtadvice 10y ago
  I have met a large number of people who love their jobs and have burned out. I'm not really sure that anecdotal evidence is going to satisfy people in this thread of the conversation, so I suspect my volunteering of this is of little utility. Maybe another way to look at it is the "burn out rate". Different companies have a tendency to turn excited new tech employees into minimally-productive ones in different time frames. For example Amazon has a burn out rate of about a year, whereas Google and Facebook are about two years and Microsoft four years. Why should this be the case? I think people above in the thread would argue that it has to do with culture and working conditions, with moral and with levels of individual autonomy.
- thenomad 10y ago
  Frequently. Burnout is a huge problem in the creative industries, amongst people who have fought, worked for years or decades, and clawed their way into a job they love and have wanted to do their entire adult lives. For example, as Ron Moore (I think) says in the documentary "Showrunners", there's a reason almost no TV showrunner is much older than their early 50s. The job (which is insanely intense) burns you out, no matter how much you love it.
  - braveo 10y ago
    There's a difference between loving your work and loving your job.
- Oogoo 10y ago
  One's feeling towards their job is not some binary love/hate thing. I would say I do not hate my job, but do I love my job? Everyday? Do I never tire of my job?
- scrollaway 10y ago
  Hi. I'm Jerome. Good to meet you. Now you have!
- aaronscott 10y ago
  I've experienced this first hand. It's a surreal feeling, because you know that objectively everything is awesome, but emotionally you want to throw it all away. I have also experienced burn out with a job that I disliked. In both cases there is a feeling of not being able to focus on the work at hand, that more effort will make you physically sick. The author's example of eating ice cream at every meal resonates with me really well. You do get tired of it, even if it's conceptually amazing.
  - debt 10y ago
    "conceptually amazing" doesn't mean you love your job. means it's great as an idea on paper maybe.
    - dwaltrip 10y ago
      Have you ever spent too much time in a row with a best friend? You don't suddenly hate them, you just need a break. The same thing can easily happen with a job that you enjoy.
- wyum 10y ago
  Yes.

by 1_2__3 10y ago

debt 10y ago

So people who love their jobs can also burn out? I don't buy it. Personally, I've never heard of or met anyone who loves their job and has burned out. Have you?

jwtadvice 10y ago
I have met a large number of people who love their jobs and have burned out. I'm not really sure that anecdotal evidence is going to satisfy people in this thread of the conversation, so I suspect my volunteering of this is of little utility. Maybe another way to look at it is the "burn out rate". Different companies have a tendency to turn excited new tech employees into minimally-productive ones in different time frames. For example Amazon has a burn out rate of about a year, whereas Google and Facebook are about two years and Microsoft four years. Why should this be the case? I think people above in the thread would argue that it has to do with culture and working conditions, with moral and with levels of individual autonomy.
thenomad 10y ago
Frequently. Burnout is a huge problem in the creative industries, amongst people who have fought, worked for years or decades, and clawed their way into a job they love and have wanted to do their entire adult lives. For example, as Ron Moore (I think) says in the documentary "Showrunners", there's a reason almost no TV showrunner is much older than their early 50s. The job (which is insanely intense) burns you out, no matter how much you love it.
- braveo 10y ago
  There's a difference between loving your work and loving your job.
Oogoo 10y ago
One's feeling towards their job is not some binary love/hate thing. I would say I do not hate my job, but do I love my job? Everyday? Do I never tire of my job?
scrollaway 10y ago
Hi. I'm Jerome. Good to meet you. Now you have!
aaronscott 10y ago
I've experienced this first hand. It's a surreal feeling, because you know that objectively everything is awesome, but emotionally you want to throw it all away. I have also experienced burn out with a job that I disliked. In both cases there is a feeling of not being able to focus on the work at hand, that more effort will make you physically sick. The author's example of eating ice cream at every meal resonates with me really well. You do get tired of it, even if it's conceptually amazing.
- debt 10y ago
  "conceptually amazing" doesn't mean you love your job. means it's great as an idea on paper maybe.
  - dwaltrip 10y ago
    Have you ever spent too much time in a row with a best friend? You don't suddenly hate them, you just need a break. The same thing can easily happen with a job that you enjoy.
wyum 10y ago
Yes.