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You can be a stealth failure, too, by breezing through Podunk University instead of challenging yourself. Probably requires low personal/family-imposed aspirati

by frou_dh 17y ago

You can be a stealth failure, too, by breezing through Podunk University instead of challenging yourself. Probably requires low personal/family-imposed aspirations to go unquestioned.

tokenadult 17y ago
I'm still trying to figure out just how much some smart students' educational choices are constrained by family income. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_27/b3840045_mz007.htm http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_27/b3840045_... http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ffp0621.pdf http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ffp0621.pdf http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ff0615S.pdf http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ff0615S.pdf http://www.tcf.org/Publications/Education/carnrose.pdf http://www.tcf.org/Publications/Education/carnrose.pdf http://www.tcf.org/Publications/Education/kahlenberg-affaction.pdf http://www.tcf.org/Publications/Education/kahlenberg-affacti... http://harvardmagazine.com/2005/05/a-thumb-on-the-scale.html http://harvardmagazine.com/2005/05/a-thumb-on-the-scale.html http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200511/financial-aid-leveraging/4 http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200511/financial-aid-leveragi... http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=510012 http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=510012 http://www.equaleducation.org/commentary.asp?opedid=1240 http://www.equaleducation.org/commentary.asp?opedid=1240 http://www.jkcf.org/assets/files/0000/0084/Achievement_Trap.pdf http://www.jkcf.org/assets/files/0000/0084/Achievement_Trap.... http://www.reason.com/news/show/123910.html http://www.reason.com/news/show/123910.html
- piguy314 17y ago
  In Outliers Gladwell found that family income was the primary determinant of success not intelligence. Most gifted students from poor families did not do well. "Gladwell continuously reminds the reader that genius is not the only or even the most important thing when determining a person's success. Using an anecdote to illustrate his claim, he discusses the story of Christopher Langan, a man who ended up working on a horse farm in rural Missouri despite having an IQ of 195" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book)
cdr 17y ago
Going to Podunk University has little to do with challenging yourself. Most people (including "smart" people) would likely be better off taking a free ride at Podunk U than an $80K+ degree at a "prestigious" private school.
- frou_dh 17y ago
  I simply meant somewhere with lower academic standards/expectations (maybe I use Podunk wrongly). I don't know about the US system, so no $$$ issues were in mind.
- tokenadult 17y ago
  How much of an academic difference do you think is WORTH a difference in out-of-pocket cost? Some people take out loans to study at a particular college, viewing attending that college as an "investment." (My oldest son, having just had that choice, chose to attend our state flagship university. He essentially will be paid to study at State U.) Is it reasonable to suppose that some brand names of colleges (even if not all) might be worth more up-front expense?
InclinedPlane 17y ago
I've seen a lot of people who have passed through the halls of academia and earned a 4 year degree yet have an absolutely minuscule degree of knowledge, expertise, or talent in their chosen alleged topic of study.

by frou_dh 17y ago

You can be a stealth failure, too, by breezing through Podunk University instead of challenging yourself. Probably requires low personal/family-imposed aspirations to go unquestioned.

tokenadult 17y ago

I'm still trying to figure out just how much some smart students' educational choices are constrained by family income. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_27/b3840045_mz007.htm http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_27/b3840045_... http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ffp0621.pdf http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ffp0621.pdf http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ff0615S.pdf http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ff0615S.pdf http://www.tcf.org/Publications/Education/carnrose.pdf http://www.tcf.org/Publications/Education/carnrose.pdf http://www.tcf.org/Publications/Education/kahlenberg-affaction.pdf http://www.tcf.org/Publications/Education/kahlenberg-affacti... http://harvardmagazine.com/2005/05/a-thumb-on-the-scale.html http://harvardmagazine.com/2005/05/a-thumb-on-the-scale.html http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200511/financial-aid-leveraging/4 http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200511/financial-aid-leveragi... http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=510012 http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=510012 http://www.equaleducation.org/commentary.asp?opedid=1240 http://www.equaleducation.org/commentary.asp?opedid=1240 http://www.jkcf.org/assets/files/0000/0084/Achievement_Trap.pdf http://www.jkcf.org/assets/files/0000/0084/Achievement_Trap.... http://www.reason.com/news/show/123910.html http://www.reason.com/news/show/123910.html

piguy314 17y ago
In Outliers Gladwell found that family income was the primary determinant of success not intelligence. Most gifted students from poor families did not do well. "Gladwell continuously reminds the reader that genius is not the only or even the most important thing when determining a person's success. Using an anecdote to illustrate his claim, he discusses the story of Christopher Langan, a man who ended up working on a horse farm in rural Missouri despite having an IQ of 195" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book)

cdr 17y ago

Going to Podunk University has little to do with challenging yourself. Most people (including "smart" people) would likely be better off taking a free ride at Podunk U than an $80K+ degree at a "prestigious" private school.

frou_dh 17y ago
I simply meant somewhere with lower academic standards/expectations (maybe I use Podunk wrongly). I don't know about the US system, so no $$$ issues were in mind.
tokenadult 17y ago
How much of an academic difference do you think is WORTH a difference in out-of-pocket cost? Some people take out loans to study at a particular college, viewing attending that college as an "investment." (My oldest son, having just had that choice, chose to attend our state flagship university. He essentially will be paid to study at State U.) Is it reasonable to suppose that some brand names of colleges (even if not all) might be worth more up-front expense?

InclinedPlane 17y ago

I've seen a lot of people who have passed through the halls of academia and earned a 4 year degree yet have an absolutely minuscule degree of knowledge, expertise, or talent in their chosen alleged topic of study.