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Sounds like half the story. The libreboot website says that they left GNU to protest transgender discrimination at the FSF.[0] [0] https://libreboot.org/ http

by ejcx 10y ago

Sounds like half the story. The libreboot website says that they left GNU to protest transgender discrimination at the FSF.[0] [0] https://libreboot.org/ https://libreboot.org/

vog 10y ago
To make this even more confusing, the FSF disputes that there was harrasment [1] and one Libreboot contributor states that the Libreboot maintainer did not speak on behalf of the whole project [2]. [1] https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-statement https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-statement [2] http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html
- digi_owl 10y ago
  SJW busybody trying to inflate their own PR bubble? Why does it feel like this is becoming more and more prevalent in FOSS projects?
RubyPinch 10y ago
more near a 10th of the story Neither side wants to put up any substantial verifiable information about it, so there is nothing to talk about on that front.
- qntty 10y ago
  It's always interesting how strong of an opinion some people can have about issues that they aren't in a position to comment about...
- untog 10y ago
  Not sure why this has been downvoted. Neither party in the firing dispute with FSF has gone public, so drawing any conclusions based on the minimal amount of information we have right now is not wise.
- rebelwebmaster 10y ago
  I don't think there's much else the FSF could say here without treading into legally dubious territory either.
digler999 10y ago
sounds like 9/10ths of the story. the transgender person who left sounded very unstable and unprofessional. Not surprising the organization wanted to completely divorce themselves from someone who acts irrationally.
- djsumdog 10y ago
  I hate to make those assumptions. There is so little information. However, I have a huge respect for the FSF and would be more inclined that they'd let someone go because of practical and professional issues. Letting go of people is not a decision to be taken lightly and originations have to weigh everything. From the e-mail threads, she denounced the entire FSF and spoke for all Libreboot contributors. I do not like this. It makes a lot of broad assumptions about large groups of people that simply cannot be classified together. I think the FSF made the right decision here, and has handled everything as professionally as they could.
  - digler999 10y ago
    http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00036.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00036... Leah: FSF and GNU can both go fuck themselves. there's no assumption. "leah" is making an ass out of herself and has no business working in that capacity. Thats plenty of information.
    - wtf_fsf 10y ago
      Oh yes because Stallman or Linus has never told anyone to go fuck themselves. Really i think this is pure sexism. It's ok for men to "disrupt" to "call" people out and just be rude douches, if they have merit... But when a feminine person does it all of a sudden they are toxic, and have no merit. Seriously you people are proving Leah's point over and over. The Tech/FOSS community is out of touch with the real world and are trying to lynch someone publicly for daring to say boo to their world view.
- amyjess 10y ago
  You're confusing two different trans people. One was fired by the FSF, and another, Leah Rowe, claimed her friend's firing was an instance of transphobic discrimination and pulled Libreboot from GNU. The person who got fired from GNU hasn't said a word on the subject, and there's no evidence of her being unstable and unprofessional. Leah Rowe, on the other hand, was indeed acting unstable and unprofessional. The really sad thing was that Rowe's flip-out actually outed her friend, who was stealth, so she wound up hurting a fellow trans person far more than the FSF allegedly did (and due to Rowe's instability, I have difficulty believing her version of why her friend was fired).
ecaron 10y ago
Better source for her side of the story is at https://libreboot.org/gnu/ https://libreboot.org/gnu/
- j_s 10y ago
  I thought that exposing the FSF for their discriminatory practises would redeem me and possibly make that person be my friend again. https://libreboot.org/gnu/#leah-not-a-hero https://libreboot.org/gnu/#leah-not-a-hero Speaks to the motivation for this whole situation.
qwertyuiop924 10y ago
Yes, but the transgender person in question didn't want the issue to be brought up, there's no evidence of discrimination, and Leah's actions were incredibly unprofessional, no matter whether there was a decent reason for them initially.

by ejcx 10y ago

Sounds like half the story. The libreboot website says that they left GNU to protest transgender discrimination at the FSF.[0] [0] https://libreboot.org/ https://libreboot.org/

vog 10y ago

To make this even more confusing, the FSF disputes that there was harrasment [1] and one Libreboot contributor states that the Libreboot maintainer did not speak on behalf of the whole project [2]. [1] https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-statement https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-statement [2] http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html

digi_owl 10y ago
SJW busybody trying to inflate their own PR bubble? Why does it feel like this is becoming more and more prevalent in FOSS projects?

RubyPinch 10y ago

more near a 10th of the story Neither side wants to put up any substantial verifiable information about it, so there is nothing to talk about on that front.

qntty 10y ago
It's always interesting how strong of an opinion some people can have about issues that they aren't in a position to comment about...
untog 10y ago
Not sure why this has been downvoted. Neither party in the firing dispute with FSF has gone public, so drawing any conclusions based on the minimal amount of information we have right now is not wise.
rebelwebmaster 10y ago
I don't think there's much else the FSF could say here without treading into legally dubious territory either.

digler999 10y ago

sounds like 9/10ths of the story. the transgender person who left sounded very unstable and unprofessional. Not surprising the organization wanted to completely divorce themselves from someone who acts irrationally.

djsumdog 10y ago
I hate to make those assumptions. There is so little information. However, I have a huge respect for the FSF and would be more inclined that they'd let someone go because of practical and professional issues. Letting go of people is not a decision to be taken lightly and originations have to weigh everything. From the e-mail threads, she denounced the entire FSF and spoke for all Libreboot contributors. I do not like this. It makes a lot of broad assumptions about large groups of people that simply cannot be classified together. I think the FSF made the right decision here, and has handled everything as professionally as they could.
- digler999 10y ago
  http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00036.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00036... Leah: FSF and GNU can both go fuck themselves. there's no assumption. "leah" is making an ass out of herself and has no business working in that capacity. Thats plenty of information.
  - wtf_fsf 10y ago
    Oh yes because Stallman or Linus has never told anyone to go fuck themselves. Really i think this is pure sexism. It's ok for men to "disrupt" to "call" people out and just be rude douches, if they have merit... But when a feminine person does it all of a sudden they are toxic, and have no merit. Seriously you people are proving Leah's point over and over. The Tech/FOSS community is out of touch with the real world and are trying to lynch someone publicly for daring to say boo to their world view.
amyjess 10y ago
You're confusing two different trans people. One was fired by the FSF, and another, Leah Rowe, claimed her friend's firing was an instance of transphobic discrimination and pulled Libreboot from GNU. The person who got fired from GNU hasn't said a word on the subject, and there's no evidence of her being unstable and unprofessional. Leah Rowe, on the other hand, was indeed acting unstable and unprofessional. The really sad thing was that Rowe's flip-out actually outed her friend, who was stealth, so she wound up hurting a fellow trans person far more than the FSF allegedly did (and due to Rowe's instability, I have difficulty believing her version of why her friend was fired).

ecaron 10y ago

Better source for her side of the story is at https://libreboot.org/gnu/ https://libreboot.org/gnu/

j_s 10y ago
I thought that exposing the FSF for their discriminatory practises would redeem me and possibly make that person be my friend again. https://libreboot.org/gnu/#leah-not-a-hero https://libreboot.org/gnu/#leah-not-a-hero Speaks to the motivation for this whole situation.

qwertyuiop924 10y ago

Yes, but the transgender person in question didn't want the issue to be brought up, there's no evidence of discrimination, and Leah's actions were incredibly unprofessional, no matter whether there was a decent reason for them initially.