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more like "I'm allowed to defend myself from the attacking dog by using the stick." I'm not surprised they want to take my stick away, but that doesn't make Goo

more like "I'm allowed to defend myself from the attacking dog by using the stick." I'm not surprised they want to take my stick away, but that doesn't make Google's actions any less shady.

strictnein 10y ago
The dog, in this case, is protecting their property. They're not in your yard, you're in their yard. So get out of their yard if you don't like the dog.
- em3rgent0rdr 10y ago
  But the internet packets are sent to your computer, so it is your yard that the dog is throwing things at.
- acobster 10y ago
  Maybe the dog in this case is protect people's incomes, but they're not a regular guard dog in the sense of protecting from intrusion. More like they're out in public, begging for food. Oh and some of them might have rabies.
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  > So get out of their yard if you don't like the dog. I would if I could! But we are not in a yard. We are in a public area, where I was walking along minding my own business and the dog came up and started barking at me. I never wanted to interact with the dog in the first place. He intruded on my life.
  - richardwhiuk 10y ago
    There's no public space on the internet. Everything is somebody's yard. This is Y Combinator's yard. YouTube is Google's yard. So is the Chrome Web Store.
    - CaptSpify 10y ago
      Shitty metaphors are shitty. It doesn't detract from my point. I'd avoid using Google if I could, but they seem dedicated to interacting with me even when I go out of my way to avoid them. I'm not going to accept that I'm the bad guy when I try to fight back.
    - type0 10y ago
      If it's publicly available then it's public, otherwise it's just deep web requiring authentication which is not public by any means. WWW was designed to be public, if you don't believe me you could ask Tim and "World Wide Web Foundation, which seeks to ensure the web serves humanity by establishing it as a global public good and a basic right." (http://webfoundation.org/about/sir-tim-berners-lee/ http://webfoundation.org/about/sir-tim-berners-lee/)
      - richardwhiuk 10y ago
        What Tim Berners-Lee aimed to do is largely irrelevant, it's how it works in practice that matters, and in real terms, it's not public space. You can be banned by the owner with no rationale, or access could be restricted behind a paywall with no notice, or content you contribute could be deleted with no notice. The World Wide Web Foundation has no particular standing and no authority on what actually happens on the web.
  - tene 10y ago
    Since when is youtube a public area?

more like "I'm allowed to defend myself from the attacking dog by using the stick." I'm not surprised they want to take my stick away, but that doesn't make Google's actions any less shady.

strictnein 10y ago

The dog, in this case, is protecting their property. They're not in your yard, you're in their yard. So get out of their yard if you don't like the dog.

em3rgent0rdr 10y ago
But the internet packets are sent to your computer, so it is your yard that the dog is throwing things at.
acobster 10y ago
Maybe the dog in this case is protect people's incomes, but they're not a regular guard dog in the sense of protecting from intrusion. More like they're out in public, begging for food. Oh and some of them might have rabies.
CaptSpify 10y ago
> So get out of their yard if you don't like the dog. I would if I could! But we are not in a yard. We are in a public area, where I was walking along minding my own business and the dog came up and started barking at me. I never wanted to interact with the dog in the first place. He intruded on my life.
- richardwhiuk 10y ago
  There's no public space on the internet. Everything is somebody's yard. This is Y Combinator's yard. YouTube is Google's yard. So is the Chrome Web Store.
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    Shitty metaphors are shitty. It doesn't detract from my point. I'd avoid using Google if I could, but they seem dedicated to interacting with me even when I go out of my way to avoid them. I'm not going to accept that I'm the bad guy when I try to fight back.
  - type0 10y ago
    If it's publicly available then it's public, otherwise it's just deep web requiring authentication which is not public by any means. WWW was designed to be public, if you don't believe me you could ask Tim and "World Wide Web Foundation, which seeks to ensure the web serves humanity by establishing it as a global public good and a basic right." (http://webfoundation.org/about/sir-tim-berners-lee/ http://webfoundation.org/about/sir-tim-berners-lee/)
    - richardwhiuk 10y ago
      What Tim Berners-Lee aimed to do is largely irrelevant, it's how it works in practice that matters, and in real terms, it's not public space. You can be banned by the owner with no rationale, or access could be restricted behind a paywall with no notice, or content you contribute could be deleted with no notice. The World Wide Web Foundation has no particular standing and no authority on what actually happens on the web.
- tene 10y ago
  Since when is youtube a public area?