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That's a very non-inclusive way of thinking, and it is hard to imagine that it benefits the community as a whole. What if you substituted developers, in this si

That's a very non-inclusive way of thinking, and it is hard to imagine that it benefits the community as a whole. What if you substituted developers, in this situation, for doctors?

mfukar 10y ago
I'd rather die of an abscessed tooth than visit a doctor out of whatever the equivalent of bootcamps would be. I'm grateful to society I don't have to.
- beat 10y ago
  Not me. If some quack who went to a six month "doctor bootcamp" can remove the abscessed tooth that would otherwise kill me, I'd hand him the pliers and beg for help. Because there's a need, and that need is vital.
  - mfukar 10y ago
    Accomplished and well-trained doctors (or, humans)) make enough mistakes as it is.
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loco5niner 10y ago
doctor bootcamps - the best way of driving both wages and healthcare quality down. As someone that values quality healthcare that sounds pretty scary...
innocentoldguy 10y ago
Actually, the equivalent of bootcamps does exist in the medical realm. For example, a dentist can take a six-week course on breast augmentations, and then perform boob jobs on the side. There are many "cosmetic surgeons" out there who are dentists, ENTs, and general practitioners, who have no formal training in plastic surgery. That's why it is important to look for a board certified plastic surgeon, rather than a board certified dentist who does plastic surgery.
mjolk 10y ago
Wait, why is it the ideal to be inclusive of bootcamp-people in the profession, especially when it's typically people just seeing dev as a way to get more money from work? Collaboration in engineering is hard enough without having to deal with someone that forces a git push, is comically overconfident in their solutions, or exhibits any number of traits I've found to be common from people coming from the "learn a trade in a hurry" programs.
Dirlewanger 10y ago
Not really comparable. Becoming a doctor has a knowledge base literally thousands of years old. Web development, 2 decades at best (50 years to cover all of computing), ~5 years at worst. Modern society has tempered a doctor track to take well over a decade (as it should, we're dealing with the human body). Becoming a web developer? 12 weeks according to these bootcamps. They also aren't cramming a "proper" 4 year CS education into that amount of time.

That's a very non-inclusive way of thinking, and it is hard to imagine that it benefits the community as a whole. What if you substituted developers, in this situation, for doctors?

mfukar 10y ago

I'd rather die of an abscessed tooth than visit a doctor out of whatever the equivalent of bootcamps would be. I'm grateful to society I don't have to.

beat 10y ago
Not me. If some quack who went to a six month "doctor bootcamp" can remove the abscessed tooth that would otherwise kill me, I'd hand him the pliers and beg for help. Because there's a need, and that need is vital.
- mfukar 10y ago
  Accomplished and well-trained doctors (or, humans)) make enough mistakes as it is.
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loco5niner 10y ago

doctor bootcamps - the best way of driving both wages and healthcare quality down. As someone that values quality healthcare that sounds pretty scary...

innocentoldguy 10y ago

Actually, the equivalent of bootcamps does exist in the medical realm. For example, a dentist can take a six-week course on breast augmentations, and then perform boob jobs on the side. There are many "cosmetic surgeons" out there who are dentists, ENTs, and general practitioners, who have no formal training in plastic surgery. That's why it is important to look for a board certified plastic surgeon, rather than a board certified dentist who does plastic surgery.

mjolk 10y ago

Wait, why is it the ideal to be inclusive of bootcamp-people in the profession, especially when it's typically people just seeing dev as a way to get more money from work? Collaboration in engineering is hard enough without having to deal with someone that forces a git push, is comically overconfident in their solutions, or exhibits any number of traits I've found to be common from people coming from the "learn a trade in a hurry" programs.

Dirlewanger 10y ago

Not really comparable. Becoming a doctor has a knowledge base literally thousands of years old. Web development, 2 decades at best (50 years to cover all of computing), ~5 years at worst. Modern society has tempered a doctor track to take well over a decade (as it should, we're dealing with the human body). Becoming a web developer? 12 weeks according to these bootcamps. They also aren't cramming a "proper" 4 year CS education into that amount of time.