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I like the anarchy of AdNauseam. But it doesn't make sense, why try and reduce the revenue of websites further than the personal non contribution of using an a

I like the anarchy of AdNauseam. But it doesn't make sense, why try and reduce the revenue of websites further than the personal non contribution of using an adblocker (which improves personal experience) Do people really think websites will be able to run off donations, are people that naive?

thatfrenchguy 10y ago
Why not subscriptions ?
- aaron695 10y ago
  Search 'paywall' on HN comments.
- mrweasel 10y ago
  The "issue" is that for subscriptions to work, you'd have to provide a worse service, because you'd have to require people to login. I honestly don't mind pay for some sites, but I do mind that I have to login. Currently I believe that the people who don't mind dealing with ads are getting a better service, than the people paying for subscriptions directly.
  - thatfrenchguy 10y ago
    "you'd have to require people to login" I can't imagine it being that much of a problem in days of password managers and cookies... "Currently I believe that the people who don't mind dealing with ads are getting a better service, than the people paying for subscriptions directly." I subscribe to a bunch of newspapers (and I'm a 20-something tech guy), I don't really mind logging once when I'm on a new computer/phone/whatever, it's the same issue as google / facebook / twitter / ...
tommorris 10y ago
It's not just about money, it's about tracking. From the AdNauseam website: > AdNauseam serves as a means of amplifying users' discontent with advertising networks that disregard privacy and facilitate bulk surveillance agendas. > In light of the industry's failure to self-regulate or otherwise address the excesses of network tracking, AdNauseam allows individual users to take matters into their own hands, fighting back against unilateral surveillance. AdNauseam's developers want to break the current Big data/surveillance-based advertising model. That is not the only possible model for advertising. Something like The Deck model, where there's no tracking or flashing jumping Punch the Monkey, just a static image link to the advertiser landing page, is a possibility.
Capt-RogerOver 10y ago
I think the websites actually increase the revenue. Instead of not clicking on any ads (as in uBlock)- the browser clicks on all of them.
- jug 10y ago
  Yeah, that's my impression too. And exposing the actually pretty fragile business model of Google and others. All they can do is hope that major browsers don't build these features into their browsers; it'd risk wreaking havoc on ad click valuation / ad pricing.
- neolefty 10y ago
  But it earns them revenue in the same way that setting your house on fire will warm you up.

thatfrenchguy 10y ago

Why not subscriptions ?

aaron695 10y ago
Search 'paywall' on HN comments.
mrweasel 10y ago
The "issue" is that for subscriptions to work, you'd have to provide a worse service, because you'd have to require people to login. I honestly don't mind pay for some sites, but I do mind that I have to login. Currently I believe that the people who don't mind dealing with ads are getting a better service, than the people paying for subscriptions directly.
- thatfrenchguy 10y ago
  "you'd have to require people to login" I can't imagine it being that much of a problem in days of password managers and cookies... "Currently I believe that the people who don't mind dealing with ads are getting a better service, than the people paying for subscriptions directly." I subscribe to a bunch of newspapers (and I'm a 20-something tech guy), I don't really mind logging once when I'm on a new computer/phone/whatever, it's the same issue as google / facebook / twitter / ...

tommorris 10y ago

It's not just about money, it's about tracking. From the AdNauseam website: > AdNauseam serves as a means of amplifying users' discontent with advertising networks that disregard privacy and facilitate bulk surveillance agendas. > In light of the industry's failure to self-regulate or otherwise address the excesses of network tracking, AdNauseam allows individual users to take matters into their own hands, fighting back against unilateral surveillance. AdNauseam's developers want to break the current Big data/surveillance-based advertising model. That is not the only possible model for advertising. Something like The Deck model, where there's no tracking or flashing jumping Punch the Monkey, just a static image link to the advertiser landing page, is a possibility.

Capt-RogerOver 10y ago

I think the websites actually increase the revenue. Instead of not clicking on any ads (as in uBlock)- the browser clicks on all of them.

jug 10y ago
Yeah, that's my impression too. And exposing the actually pretty fragile business model of Google and others. All they can do is hope that major browsers don't build these features into their browsers; it'd risk wreaking havoc on ad click valuation / ad pricing.
neolefty 10y ago
But it earns them revenue in the same way that setting your house on fire will warm you up.