Thank you for your answer. "You're severely oversimplifying here." You can look at it from different sides. I personally think christians oversimplify more. T

Thank you for your answer. "You're severely oversimplifying here." You can look at it from different sides. I personally think christians oversimplify more. They only take the most positive look of god, and justify all the bad stuff. In a way that sets precedent, and makes it easier to find exceptions to Jesus his teaching: "do to others what you would have them do to you." The NT god still does not like homos, women rights, and finds slavery just fine. Would you want to be a slave? No, then don't enslave. It follows directly from Jesus, but not from the bible. If you take away anything supernatural, Jesus his message works much better. God is all of us. The holy spirit is synergy. Heaven is progress. Only god may judge people, like a modern state with its judiciary system. People working together are worth more than the sum of the individuals (synergy). And today we made enormous progress, Jesus healed maybe 50 lepers, science healed 5 million. "so I think that's indicative that God is a real thing" We get that some things are food and nourish the body, while some things, like rocks, do not. We are just molecules, but in a very specific configuration. We value some other very specific configurations. Just like how we value food, so do we value people close to us. And more impersonally, so we value a functional society in which we can thrive. Good is closely related to the golden rule. If somebody did it to you, would you like it, would it make society better off or worse off?