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> The lack of diversity is being driven by something at highschool level or below, it's stupid to blame tech companies for something so obvious. What basis is

> The lack of diversity is being driven by something at highschool level or below, it's stupid to blame tech companies for something so obvious. What basis is this statement founded on? It is also stupid to make unfounded claims without any indication that you have substantiated them. I am genuinely curious what the cause is and if grade school so be it but let's not point fingers at something just cause.

hueving 10y ago
>What basis is this statement founded on? The graduation statistics from schools. You can't expect to have 50% men and 50% women of the same quality in an company without unfair hiring practices if the ratio from schools is 80/20.
- jahewson 10y ago
  No, the enrolment statistics for schools tell us nothing about why the trend is occurring. It could just as easily be due to the industry being perceived as being distinctively male and that puts off young women from enrolling in CS. And anyway, the article is not about unfair hiring, it's about unfair pay.
  - nrjdhsbsid 10y ago
    We need to trace when the issue is happening. College enrollment teaches us a lot more than job statistics where most people have made up their minds 10+ years ago. The enrollment statistics represent people making up their minds right after highschool, so logically something before college is skewing the statistics. Some exposure to young people is causing the demographic rift and these statistics can tell us that which is more than nothing
  - hueving 10y ago
    >It could just as easily be due to the industry being perceived as being distinctively male and that puts off young women from enrolling in CS. Quite possibly. That perception lies 100% on the idiots that write articles/comments/facebook posts/tweets parroting the idea that the industry is sexist because of the ratio though. Every time there is an article questioning what the industry can do about "it's sexism problem", it just makes things worse.

hueving 10y ago

>What basis is this statement founded on? The graduation statistics from schools. You can't expect to have 50% men and 50% women of the same quality in an company without unfair hiring practices if the ratio from schools is 80/20.

jahewson 10y ago
No, the enrolment statistics for schools tell us nothing about why the trend is occurring. It could just as easily be due to the industry being perceived as being distinctively male and that puts off young women from enrolling in CS. And anyway, the article is not about unfair hiring, it's about unfair pay.
- nrjdhsbsid 10y ago
  We need to trace when the issue is happening. College enrollment teaches us a lot more than job statistics where most people have made up their minds 10+ years ago. The enrollment statistics represent people making up their minds right after highschool, so logically something before college is skewing the statistics. Some exposure to young people is causing the demographic rift and these statistics can tell us that which is more than nothing
- hueving 10y ago
  >It could just as easily be due to the industry being perceived as being distinctively male and that puts off young women from enrolling in CS. Quite possibly. That perception lies 100% on the idiots that write articles/comments/facebook posts/tweets parroting the idea that the industry is sexist because of the ratio though. Every time there is an article questioning what the industry can do about "it's sexism problem", it just makes things worse.