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250$ LIDAR is on the horizon http://driverless.wonderhowto.com/news/quanergys-new-250-solid-state-lidar-could-bring-self-driving-masses-0175790/ http://driverle

250$ LIDAR is on the horizon http://driverless.wonderhowto.com/news/quanergys-new-250-solid-state-lidar-could-bring-self-driving-masses-0175790/ http://driverless.wonderhowto.com/news/quanergys-new-250-sol...

remir 10y ago
Velodyne is working on a 50$ solid state LiDAR.
- deepnotderp 10y ago
  The problem is that those solid state LiDARs have missed shipment targets many times and they also aren't equivalent to $60K lidar systems.
  - jayjay71 10y ago
    The smaller sensors aren't the same as the giant sensor that goes on top of the car, but ~10 of them can give you comparable coverage for self-driving purposes (assuming they work similar to other smaller LIDAR sensors such as what ibeo makes, hard to say before the product actually ships). And a few thousand dollars is easily affordable for luxury cars; think of it as a typical upgrade like consumers pay for navigation packages, stereos, leather interior, etc. With regards to the missed shipments - I agree, that is a red flag. And when a company gives a timeline, and then that passes and they change their answer to "soon" it's concerning. Of course, it's CES right now - maybe someone will make an announcement in a few days. Last year Quanergy hyped up their sensor, but when they were pressed it turns out their demo sensor was actually not solid state.
  - frozenport 10y ago
    But I struggle to name the expensive element of a LiDAR system. I suspect the previous, reletivley low vumes might have contributed to much of the cost.
frik 10y ago
Definitely interesting. Solid-state-LIDAR is the break-through that makes then affordable. The current-gen big spinning LIDARs are too cumbersome in harsh real world environment, if you think of mass deployment in cars.
emmab 10y ago
> And if you're worried about the sensors being vulnerable to hacking—Eldada says they've engineered the sensor with seven layers of protection to make sure the system can't be tricked. A seven layer seal? That could surely only be broken by the darkest of magics.
- Ar-Curunir 10y ago
  Seven horcruxes.
- garrettheaver 10y ago
  Seven proxies perhaps?
- rwmj 10y ago
  Who is the attacker in this scenario? The car owner?
  - deleted 10y ago
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- mixedbit 10y ago
  Let's hope each of this layer is not guarded by admin:admin credentials.
  - elcct 10y ago
    Nah, they got this - it is admin:changeme
- hueving 10y ago
  iptables rules that require each packet to jump through 7 chains before being allowed in.
blacksmith_tb 10y ago
Well, $5 LIDAR is 'on the horizon' too[1], but I will believe it when I can hold one... but I really, really want to believe. 1: https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/15/new-lidar-package-makes-it-easier-to-add-smarts-to-your-smart-car/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/15/new-lidar-package-makes-it...

remir 10y ago

Velodyne is working on a 50$ solid state LiDAR.

deepnotderp 10y ago
The problem is that those solid state LiDARs have missed shipment targets many times and they also aren't equivalent to $60K lidar systems.
- jayjay71 10y ago
  The smaller sensors aren't the same as the giant sensor that goes on top of the car, but ~10 of them can give you comparable coverage for self-driving purposes (assuming they work similar to other smaller LIDAR sensors such as what ibeo makes, hard to say before the product actually ships). And a few thousand dollars is easily affordable for luxury cars; think of it as a typical upgrade like consumers pay for navigation packages, stereos, leather interior, etc. With regards to the missed shipments - I agree, that is a red flag. And when a company gives a timeline, and then that passes and they change their answer to "soon" it's concerning. Of course, it's CES right now - maybe someone will make an announcement in a few days. Last year Quanergy hyped up their sensor, but when they were pressed it turns out their demo sensor was actually not solid state.
- frozenport 10y ago
  But I struggle to name the expensive element of a LiDAR system. I suspect the previous, reletivley low vumes might have contributed to much of the cost.

frik 10y ago

Definitely interesting. Solid-state-LIDAR is the break-through that makes then affordable. The current-gen big spinning LIDARs are too cumbersome in harsh real world environment, if you think of mass deployment in cars.

emmab 10y ago

> And if you're worried about the sensors being vulnerable to hacking—Eldada says they've engineered the sensor with seven layers of protection to make sure the system can't be tricked. A seven layer seal? That could surely only be broken by the darkest of magics.

Ar-Curunir 10y ago
Seven horcruxes.
garrettheaver 10y ago
Seven proxies perhaps?
rwmj 10y ago
Who is the attacker in this scenario? The car owner?
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
mixedbit 10y ago
Let's hope each of this layer is not guarded by admin:admin credentials.
- elcct 10y ago
  Nah, they got this - it is admin:changeme
hueving 10y ago
iptables rules that require each packet to jump through 7 chains before being allowed in.

blacksmith_tb 10y ago

Well, $5 LIDAR is 'on the horizon' too[1], but I will believe it when I can hold one... but I really, really want to believe. 1: https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/15/new-lidar-package-makes-it-easier-to-add-smarts-to-your-smart-car/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/15/new-lidar-package-makes-it...