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> the corrosive nature of rust Fantastic! More seriously, I'm not sure who you mean by the paid rust advocates here. There are some core developers who work f

> the corrosive nature of rust Fantastic! More seriously, I'm not sure who you mean by the paid rust advocates here. There are some core developers who work for Mozilla, but I can't imagine that a Rust-using company or individual would spend salary on an HN advocate rather than paying someone to work on the compiler or ecosystem.

thesmallestcat 10y ago
You'd be mistaken. steveklabnik is a hired Rust evangelist who also writes docs. > Wherever there is discussion about Rust to be found, be it IRC, the RFCs repo, or Reddit/HackerNews, you can be sure to find a comment or two from Steve there, explaining and clarifying the situation. https://blog.rust-lang.org/2014/12/12/Core-Team.html https://blog.rust-lang.org/2014/12/12/Core-Team.html
- steveklabnik 10y ago
  To be clear, my job description is "doc writer". I've been posting a ton on HN for _years_, and advocating for Rust before I ever had a job working on it. At the time that post was written, I was a contractor, and it wasn't clear if I was ever going to stay on with Mozilla; historically, I've told everyone this was a short-term gig, though my feelings on that have been changing a bit. Regardless of that, if you ever hear me saying Rust is a "panacea" or "immediately re-write everything [in Rust]", call me out on it. I don't agree with either of those positions. I want people to accurately understand what's going on, not mislead them. (I _do_ want to see more people using Rust, because I love it, but not everyone will also love Rust, and that's totally fine.)
  - eropple 10y ago
    Having idled around the same tech watering holes as you have for years, I'd think they'd have to make a significant effort to keep you from talking about it. ;)
- dikaiosune 10y ago
  > There are some core developers who work for Mozilla
- pcwalton 10y ago
  > steveklabnik is a hired Rust evangelist who also writes docs. Nobody is paid to evangelize on message boards.
- lacampbell 10y ago
  Case in point. Someone shows that mozilla actually employs someone who adovcates for rust on public forums - and they are down-voted.
  - tatterdemalion 10y ago
    Steve is paid to write docs; evangelizing is just his hobby. Sibling comments to yours corrected this point prior to you making this comment, which makes it harder to assume good faith about your actions here.
    - lacampbell 10y ago
      The part quoted heavily implied that he was paid to evangelize. Yet he was heavily down-voted for saying something relatively innocuous. I thought it was noteworthy.
      - tatterdemalion 10y ago
        What makes you and thesmallestcat even more incorrect is that this blog post is about Steve Klabnik and Yehuda Katz joining the Rust core team. This is an unpaid position with the (informally organized) Rust project, not a paid position with Mozilla Research. Mozilla employs Steve (though I think it was just a part time contract in 2014), but doesn't employ Yehuda.
      - Manishearth 10y ago
        The "Rust Core Team" is not a Mozilla construct. Many of the folks on it are Mozilla employees, but the core team is not a paying job. Mozilla hired Steve to work on docs. Steve was invited to the Rust Core Team because of his online activities, among other things. Neither wycats nor steve were being paid by Mozilla at the point that post was written IIRC. (I might be getting my timelines mixed up here. wycats has contracted for mozilla in the past for cargo and stuff, but I don't recall exactly when that happened)
        steveklabnik 10y ago
- neandrake 10y ago
  I am a pretty active observer of rust community as the language abilities and paradigms excite and suit me. Therefore I do see steveklabnik as well as several others frequent these avenues. In all my time reading Reddit/HN/etc. I've never seen steve or the others "advocate"; they're doing exactly what that description states which is explain and clarify. The tech community brings up rust as a discussion topic and they spend their own time (possibly some of Mozilla's) to make sure that the community understands the organization (not just Mozilla), drive, and tech behind rust.

thesmallestcat 10y ago

You'd be mistaken. steveklabnik is a hired Rust evangelist who also writes docs. > Wherever there is discussion about Rust to be found, be it IRC, the RFCs repo, or Reddit/HackerNews, you can be sure to find a comment or two from Steve there, explaining and clarifying the situation. https://blog.rust-lang.org/2014/12/12/Core-Team.html https://blog.rust-lang.org/2014/12/12/Core-Team.html

steveklabnik 10y ago
To be clear, my job description is "doc writer". I've been posting a ton on HN for _years_, and advocating for Rust before I ever had a job working on it. At the time that post was written, I was a contractor, and it wasn't clear if I was ever going to stay on with Mozilla; historically, I've told everyone this was a short-term gig, though my feelings on that have been changing a bit. Regardless of that, if you ever hear me saying Rust is a "panacea" or "immediately re-write everything [in Rust]", call me out on it. I don't agree with either of those positions. I want people to accurately understand what's going on, not mislead them. (I _do_ want to see more people using Rust, because I love it, but not everyone will also love Rust, and that's totally fine.)
- eropple 10y ago
  Having idled around the same tech watering holes as you have for years, I'd think they'd have to make a significant effort to keep you from talking about it. ;)
dikaiosune 10y ago
> There are some core developers who work for Mozilla
pcwalton 10y ago
> steveklabnik is a hired Rust evangelist who also writes docs. Nobody is paid to evangelize on message boards.
lacampbell 10y ago
Case in point. Someone shows that mozilla actually employs someone who adovcates for rust on public forums - and they are down-voted.
- tatterdemalion 10y ago
  Steve is paid to write docs; evangelizing is just his hobby. Sibling comments to yours corrected this point prior to you making this comment, which makes it harder to assume good faith about your actions here.
  - lacampbell 10y ago
    The part quoted heavily implied that he was paid to evangelize. Yet he was heavily down-voted for saying something relatively innocuous. I thought it was noteworthy.
    - tatterdemalion 10y ago
      What makes you and thesmallestcat even more incorrect is that this blog post is about Steve Klabnik and Yehuda Katz joining the Rust core team. This is an unpaid position with the (informally organized) Rust project, not a paid position with Mozilla Research. Mozilla employs Steve (though I think it was just a part time contract in 2014), but doesn't employ Yehuda.
    - Manishearth 10y ago
      The "Rust Core Team" is not a Mozilla construct. Many of the folks on it are Mozilla employees, but the core team is not a paying job. Mozilla hired Steve to work on docs. Steve was invited to the Rust Core Team because of his online activities, among other things. Neither wycats nor steve were being paid by Mozilla at the point that post was written IIRC. (I might be getting my timelines mixed up here. wycats has contracted for mozilla in the past for cargo and stuff, but I don't recall exactly when that happened)
      - steveklabnik 10y ago
neandrake 10y ago
I am a pretty active observer of rust community as the language abilities and paradigms excite and suit me. Therefore I do see steveklabnik as well as several others frequent these avenues. In all my time reading Reddit/HN/etc. I've never seen steve or the others "advocate"; they're doing exactly what that description states which is explain and clarify. The tech community brings up rust as a discussion topic and they spend their own time (possibly some of Mozilla's) to make sure that the community understands the organization (not just Mozilla), drive, and tech behind rust.