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Complex is being used in a different context here though. You are meaning complex as in strategic complexity. The parent (I think) is using it in terms of the g
by fryguy 10y ago
Complex is being used in a different context here though. You are meaning complex as in strategic complexity. The parent (I think) is using it in terms of the games rules. Go is pretty simple in principle: place stones on the board one at a time, and remove enemy pieces completely surrounded by your own. But it's fairly complex to know what exactly constitutes being surrounded. Chess has 6 different kinds of pieces that have different movements, and different kinds of rules depending on the state, and promotion at the end, castling, and en passant. Checkers is a much simpler game because there's only 2 kinds of pieces, and 2 kinds of moves. Strategically, Chess isn't leaps and bounds more complex than Checkers since Carlsen has an Elo rating of 2800 in Chess, and Tinsley had an Elo rating of 2700 in Checkers and I believe it's the same deviation of 200.
- btilly 10y agoCheckers has adjusted its Elo system over time. I believe that it now matches chess except with a floor of a 1000 rating. From http://icheckers.net/ratings/ http://icheckers.net/ratings/, the current ratings range goes from 1000 to 2297 among active players, and up to 2510 among inactive players. Even if you use the larger range of inactive players, that's a range of 7.5 times the standard deviation. Which is considerably less than chess.
- fryguy 10y agoTinsley isn't on that list, and I saw it claimed that his rating was 2700: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Tinsley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Tinsley Chess has a floor of 1200 for novices. So I'm not sure your point.
- btilly 10y agoThe Elo system for Checkers has changed over time. Tinsley had a rating around 2700, but he would not get that rating today. Chess ratings from the USCF have a floor of 100. What you are thinking of is that they start people at a provisional rating of 1200 and then let them drift to where they belong. But a person who just knows how the pieces move will quickly head down towards that floor.
- monktastic1 10y agoKnow of any resources that help figure out what the Elo SD of a particular game is, and the range? Also, know of anything written about various ways of measuring the complexity of a game? I'd never thought about the number of SDs thing.