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> you want to be writing Python2 syntax because that's where all the action is. > This is Python3 as most of us wanted it to be. > Valid Python2 is Grumpy alr
by guitarbill 10y ago
> you want to be writing Python2 syntax because that's where all the action is.
> This is Python3 as most of us wanted it to be.
> Valid Python2 is Grumpy already.
> It compiles existing Python2 AND offers a legitimate upgrade from CPython at the same time.
> As far as all of the lost C extensions? You won't need them
None of the statements are true. You seem to be very confused what Grumpy can and can't do, and what the need of actual Python developers are.
The only benefit of Grumpy is speed (I don't think go "interop" counts). Now, that's a pretty big benefit for some, but comes with significant drawbacks and probably always will. Even though CPython is only the reference implementation, many clever people have worked to make it faster. Getting rid of the GIL is also very difficult. The easiest way to gain speed is to limit Python to a subset of features and then optimise for that. While this is a fair approach, hailing it as the future of Python is terribly misguided.
- BuckRogers 10y agoCitations needed for your assertion on each point being false. Grumpy proves Python2 is where the action is at. Everyone wanted a speed improvement with a new Python, that's the ultimate carrot.. instead Python3 was and still is in some ways slower than 2. Other than exec, eval and C-extensions, Python2 is valid Grumpy. You didn't provide any reasoning or proof that my points, which were just reiterated, were false. If you're going to "port" anywhere from Python2, removing C extensions (which no language should have to be dependent upon anyway, so it's an improvement) and exec/eval usage is a bigger win than Python3. The future of Python is what the users decide, not what the PSF decided. I recognize there's a lot of confusion and propaganda surrounding that. This is open source, not top-down control.
- statsmatscats 10y agoLead on the project said he would like to support python 3 at some point.
- BuckRogers 10y agoThat would be great. But the issue is really what do people do that have all this mass of Python2 source. The Python3 people are off doing what they want to do on that, which I consider the experimental branch. There's just so many new mistakes made with Python3 it's not a slam dunk for people to move to. At this point, it's become more of a social pressure / political thing (2020?) than a logical decision to move to 3. Something like Grumpy is definitely going to take the throne that Python3 abandoned.