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OK. So it doesn't work for your use case. But: "a portable device without storage is pointless can barely fit 2 1080 movies on it...." is not true. I imagine

OK. So it doesn't work for your use case. But: "a portable device without storage is pointless can barely fit 2 1080 movies on it...." is not true. I imagine a vast majority of the population carries a portable device that can't fit 2 1080p movies. Indeed, the number of people watching 1080p movies on their phone is probably pretty small to begin with.

dogma1138 10y ago
This isn't a phone, this is a laptop with a 12" screen.... A phone with 32GB is also not excusable when camera photos take up 5-10MB today, and most phones can shoot 4K video.
- sbov 10y ago
  Plenty of users willingly find use cases and buy devices with "not excusable" amounts of space. If I were less charitable I would call your definition of the term not excusable.
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    If you are willing to pay 500$+ for devices with 32GB of storage then it's your business but it's not excusable. I don't think Apple offering 32GB is excusable today either. And as for the users they buy what they have, most devices don't offer more it doesn't mean they shouldn't the OnePlus One had this too and the 16GB version was pretty much killed because the overwhelming majority of the orders were for the 64GB version and this was like what nearly 3 years ago...
    - muninn_ 10y ago
      I don't like the 32gb storage option, and everybody that's doing it is being a jerk about it. But with that being said, 32gb is fine for any use you will have with a tablet. If you have an iPad 32gb, your music, photos, contacts, everything is in the cloud. You jump on to wi-fi when you can, and in between hotspots you just use the space that's on your iPad. That's for normal, every day use. If you have to go on an extended trip or something, you have to reconsider. Please keep in mind I think the 32gb sucks, I just think that most people can get buy with it and it's plenty excusable.
      - dogma1138 10y ago
        From all it seems that when having the option most people opt out to buy the bigger storage... And it's funny I use spotify and my Music is not in the cloud, it's on my device even tho O2 doesn't meter spotify streaming and I live in London where I get wifi even in the tube (at the stations). Everyone else I know also downloads most of their common playlists, since streaming isn't always available and it consumes considerably more power than local playback. Contacts don't take space, and photos in the cloud are a backup, it's not like you can easily browse 5-10MB photos even if you are connected to a metro-wifi connection it's not going to be fast enough in most cases.
        muninn_ 10y ago
        Well yeah I think bigger storage is better but I do think people can make do with the 32gb. I think that Apple and others need to up the ante with storage space.
        dogma1138 10y ago
        People make do because they have too, I got the 6s with 128GB thinking I would never come close to filling it, within 3-4 weeks I was proven wrong. How you use your device changes with the storage you have. I don't need to worry about what I store on my device so I have VLC with movies and TV shows just in case. I have seasons of shows from Netflix/Amazon just in case. I got all my music downloaded so I won't have to stream from Spotify killing my battery and warming up my pocket for no reason. I got audiobooks, podcasts, documents and everything I need just in case. And I found out that the "just in case" is used all the time when you have the option, missed a train? well got 18 min I can watch another episode of star wars rebels instead of idling or trying to stream from my Plex server over the wifi at a train station. Met a friend you haven't seen in a long time? well I got my videos and photos all ready to show... Bored? Well I'll play XCOM or Magic the Gathering.... GB's left GB's right, sure this is just wasting time, nothing life changing but people just don't realise how limited they are because they don't have more storage not because they need it badly but because they are conditioned to get by without it.
- ekianjo 10y ago
  most phones can shoot 4k videos? excuse me, you mean most phones in silicon valley probably?
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    New phones that cost 500$ or even 300$ can shoot 4K today yes, again we are talking about pretty high price points. I'm not expecting a 50-150$ phone to come with 256GB option, even tho they would also support 4K today or soon enough, go on GSM arena you'll be hard pressed to see Paying ~500$ for a device or more and only getting 32GB is a ripoff, the funny part is that many of the new (and current) "chinese" phones from makers like Oppo, Meizu, Huawei, Xiaomi which are intended for the international market come with 64GB as their base and offer 128GB versions.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      > Paying ~500$ for a device or more and only getting 32GB is a ripoff There are other features besides storage that justify spending money for some people. Storage may be decisive for you, but having different preferences doesn't mean people are getting ripped off.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > This isn't a phone, this is a laptop with a 12" screen. It's more of a tablet with an keyboard and a 12" screen than a traditional laptop. I'm thinking it's the first thing that I'd see as a suitable replacement for my Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 with keyboard case -- a more modern tool with some key utility and convenience updates that is well suited for the same roles.

dogma1138 10y ago

This isn't a phone, this is a laptop with a 12" screen.... A phone with 32GB is also not excusable when camera photos take up 5-10MB today, and most phones can shoot 4K video.

sbov 10y ago
Plenty of users willingly find use cases and buy devices with "not excusable" amounts of space. If I were less charitable I would call your definition of the term not excusable.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  If you are willing to pay 500$+ for devices with 32GB of storage then it's your business but it's not excusable. I don't think Apple offering 32GB is excusable today either. And as for the users they buy what they have, most devices don't offer more it doesn't mean they shouldn't the OnePlus One had this too and the 16GB version was pretty much killed because the overwhelming majority of the orders were for the 64GB version and this was like what nearly 3 years ago...
  - muninn_ 10y ago
    I don't like the 32gb storage option, and everybody that's doing it is being a jerk about it. But with that being said, 32gb is fine for any use you will have with a tablet. If you have an iPad 32gb, your music, photos, contacts, everything is in the cloud. You jump on to wi-fi when you can, and in between hotspots you just use the space that's on your iPad. That's for normal, every day use. If you have to go on an extended trip or something, you have to reconsider. Please keep in mind I think the 32gb sucks, I just think that most people can get buy with it and it's plenty excusable.
    - dogma1138 10y ago
      From all it seems that when having the option most people opt out to buy the bigger storage... And it's funny I use spotify and my Music is not in the cloud, it's on my device even tho O2 doesn't meter spotify streaming and I live in London where I get wifi even in the tube (at the stations). Everyone else I know also downloads most of their common playlists, since streaming isn't always available and it consumes considerably more power than local playback. Contacts don't take space, and photos in the cloud are a backup, it's not like you can easily browse 5-10MB photos even if you are connected to a metro-wifi connection it's not going to be fast enough in most cases.
      - muninn_ 10y ago
        Well yeah I think bigger storage is better but I do think people can make do with the 32gb. I think that Apple and others need to up the ante with storage space.
        dogma1138 10y ago
        People make do because they have too, I got the 6s with 128GB thinking I would never come close to filling it, within 3-4 weeks I was proven wrong. How you use your device changes with the storage you have. I don't need to worry about what I store on my device so I have VLC with movies and TV shows just in case. I have seasons of shows from Netflix/Amazon just in case. I got all my music downloaded so I won't have to stream from Spotify killing my battery and warming up my pocket for no reason. I got audiobooks, podcasts, documents and everything I need just in case. And I found out that the "just in case" is used all the time when you have the option, missed a train? well got 18 min I can watch another episode of star wars rebels instead of idling or trying to stream from my Plex server over the wifi at a train station. Met a friend you haven't seen in a long time? well I got my videos and photos all ready to show... Bored? Well I'll play XCOM or Magic the Gathering.... GB's left GB's right, sure this is just wasting time, nothing life changing but people just don't realise how limited they are because they don't have more storage not because they need it badly but because they are conditioned to get by without it.
ekianjo 10y ago
most phones can shoot 4k videos? excuse me, you mean most phones in silicon valley probably?
- dogma1138 10y ago
  New phones that cost 500$ or even 300$ can shoot 4K today yes, again we are talking about pretty high price points. I'm not expecting a 50-150$ phone to come with 256GB option, even tho they would also support 4K today or soon enough, go on GSM arena you'll be hard pressed to see Paying ~500$ for a device or more and only getting 32GB is a ripoff, the funny part is that many of the new (and current) "chinese" phones from makers like Oppo, Meizu, Huawei, Xiaomi which are intended for the international market come with 64GB as their base and offer 128GB versions.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > Paying ~500$ for a device or more and only getting 32GB is a ripoff There are other features besides storage that justify spending money for some people. Storage may be decisive for you, but having different preferences doesn't mean people are getting ripped off.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> This isn't a phone, this is a laptop with a 12" screen. It's more of a tablet with an keyboard and a 12" screen than a traditional laptop. I'm thinking it's the first thing that I'd see as a suitable replacement for my Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 with keyboard case -- a more modern tool with some key utility and convenience updates that is well suited for the same roles.