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Your recollection is profoundly wrong. FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Taiwan https://freedom

Your recollection is profoundly wrong. FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Taiwan https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2016/taiwan https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2016/taiwan

gohrt 10y ago
That article says that Taiwan didn't have democratic elections in 1990. How is that responsive to a claim that Nationalist China was undemocratic?
- unchocked 10y ago
  I'm under the impression that Taiwan is Nationalist China.
  - mikeash 10y ago
    I think you missed the implied "as of 1949" in the claim you attempted to rebut.
  - xiaoma 10y ago
    It's not. Taiwan is fully democratic, has elected a president from the Democratic Progressive Party and has very few people who self-identify as Chinese.
    - xiaoma 10y ago
      Everything I wrote above is true. Here is more detail: Ruling party: Taiwan's president is indeed from the Democratic Progressive Party. [1] Self identification: More than 80 percent of respondents self-identified as Taiwanese, compared with 8.1 percent who identified themselves as Chinese and 7.6 percent who identified as both. [2] Fully democratic: Not only does Taiwan have open elections and tolerate political demonstrations even the US wouldn't, but people have had referendum powers since 2003. This power was used stop the building of casinos in Penghu despite the moneyed interests pushing for them: [3] 1) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35336411 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35336411 2) http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/05/28/2003647291 http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/05/28/20... 3) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-15/casinos-rejected-by-outlying-taiwan-islands-in-referendum-vote https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-15/casinos-r...
dogma1138 10y ago
His recollection is not wrong, Taiwan didn't had a public election until the mid 90's, and even the 1996 one was a bit iffy, until 1987 Taiwan was under martial law, and until 86 you couldn't form political parties. The Republic of China was a unitary state before and during the "communist rebellion", it continued to be a unitary state after it until 1991 (and until 2000 technically the KMT still "ruled" Taiwan) when the National Assembly which hasn't been (re)elected since 1948 voted itself out of office finally after about 10 years of some liberalization. Today Taiwan has a ridiculous number of political parties (nearly 300) with 3-4 of them actually having seats in the house, tho effectively Taiwan is a 2 party country with sweeping swings in number of seats and leadership between the Democratic Progressive Party and the Chinese National Party.

gohrt 10y ago

That article says that Taiwan didn't have democratic elections in 1990. How is that responsive to a claim that Nationalist China was undemocratic?

unchocked 10y ago
I'm under the impression that Taiwan is Nationalist China.
- mikeash 10y ago
  I think you missed the implied "as of 1949" in the claim you attempted to rebut.
- xiaoma 10y ago
  It's not. Taiwan is fully democratic, has elected a president from the Democratic Progressive Party and has very few people who self-identify as Chinese.
  - xiaoma 10y ago
    Everything I wrote above is true. Here is more detail: Ruling party: Taiwan's president is indeed from the Democratic Progressive Party. [1] Self identification: More than 80 percent of respondents self-identified as Taiwanese, compared with 8.1 percent who identified themselves as Chinese and 7.6 percent who identified as both. [2] Fully democratic: Not only does Taiwan have open elections and tolerate political demonstrations even the US wouldn't, but people have had referendum powers since 2003. This power was used stop the building of casinos in Penghu despite the moneyed interests pushing for them: [3] 1) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35336411 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35336411 2) http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/05/28/2003647291 http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/05/28/20... 3) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-15/casinos-rejected-by-outlying-taiwan-islands-in-referendum-vote https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-15/casinos-r...

dogma1138 10y ago

His recollection is not wrong, Taiwan didn't had a public election until the mid 90's, and even the 1996 one was a bit iffy, until 1987 Taiwan was under martial law, and until 86 you couldn't form political parties. The Republic of China was a unitary state before and during the "communist rebellion", it continued to be a unitary state after it until 1991 (and until 2000 technically the KMT still "ruled" Taiwan) when the National Assembly which hasn't been (re)elected since 1948 voted itself out of office finally after about 10 years of some liberalization. Today Taiwan has a ridiculous number of political parties (nearly 300) with 3-4 of them actually having seats in the house, tho effectively Taiwan is a 2 party country with sweeping swings in number of seats and leadership between the Democratic Progressive Party and the Chinese National Party.