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bowing to Chinese dictatorship, so sad. then again, Facebook/Snapchat also has no shame bowing as well. good thing Google has a backbone

by sfoon 10y ago

c3534l 10y ago
The alternative is to get banned from China, ensuring the only alternative is a company entirely beholden the government and unable to fight back against them in the battles that they can win.
- Pica_soO 10y ago
  Alternativlos? Yes, they must bow to local laws. But not taking some of the spoils and directing that via back channel donations into subversive software like TOR - that is a choice they have.
nkristoffersen 10y ago
What has Google done that shows a "backbone" in China?
- DINKDINK 10y ago
  Gmail warns if they believe “Your Account May Have Been Targeted by State-Sponsored Actors”[1] in a prompt[2]. I saw this first hand on a friend's machine in Hong Kong. [1] http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303665904577449562114786378 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527023036659045774495... [2] https://sophosnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/google-warning.jpg https://sophosnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/google-warnin...
- skybrian 10y ago
  How quickly we forget. https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-approach-to-china-update.html https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-approach-to-chin...
elastic_church 10y ago
or protection from ad driven fake news
michel-slm 10y ago
How did Facebook bow to China? AFAICT we are still blocked there. Disclaimer: I work for FB, this is my personal opinion
- yoz-y 10y ago
  There were some recent rumours that FB is going to enable censoring tools to be able to return to China.
- westiseast 10y ago
  I think MZs attempts to learn Mandarin, his visits to China and his 'courtship' of Xi during the US state visit made a lot of people think that he was desperate to get into China and wasn't too concerned about the implications of that. The impression is that the only reason Facebook isn't operating in China under a cooperative censorship regime is because China doesn't want FB (rather than because FB refuses to censor/cooperate). Rumors for sure, just answering your question.
droithomme 10y ago
> bowing to Chinese dictatorship, so sad Not really. NYT has solidly established themselves as a fake news site. It's very reasonable to protect the public from such propaganda sites that post fake news, do you not agree?

bowing to Chinese dictatorship, so sad. then again, Facebook/Snapchat also has no shame bowing as well. good thing Google has a backbone

by sfoon 10y ago

bowing to Chinese dictatorship, so sad. then again, Facebook/Snapchat also has no shame bowing as well. good thing Google has a backbone

c3534l 10y ago

The alternative is to get banned from China, ensuring the only alternative is a company entirely beholden the government and unable to fight back against them in the battles that they can win.

Pica_soO 10y ago
Alternativlos? Yes, they must bow to local laws. But not taking some of the spoils and directing that via back channel donations into subversive software like TOR - that is a choice they have.

nkristoffersen 10y ago

What has Google done that shows a "backbone" in China?

DINKDINK 10y ago
Gmail warns if they believe “Your Account May Have Been Targeted by State-Sponsored Actors”[1] in a prompt[2]. I saw this first hand on a friend's machine in Hong Kong. [1] http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303665904577449562114786378 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527023036659045774495... [2] https://sophosnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/google-warning.jpg https://sophosnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/google-warnin...
skybrian 10y ago
How quickly we forget. https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-approach-to-china-update.html https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-approach-to-chin...

elastic_church 10y ago

or protection from ad driven fake news

michel-slm 10y ago

How did Facebook bow to China? AFAICT we are still blocked there. Disclaimer: I work for FB, this is my personal opinion

yoz-y 10y ago
There were some recent rumours that FB is going to enable censoring tools to be able to return to China.
westiseast 10y ago
I think MZs attempts to learn Mandarin, his visits to China and his 'courtship' of Xi during the US state visit made a lot of people think that he was desperate to get into China and wasn't too concerned about the implications of that. The impression is that the only reason Facebook isn't operating in China under a cooperative censorship regime is because China doesn't want FB (rather than because FB refuses to censor/cooperate). Rumors for sure, just answering your question.

droithomme 10y ago

> bowing to Chinese dictatorship, so sad Not really. NYT has solidly established themselves as a fake news site. It's very reasonable to protect the public from such propaganda sites that post fake news, do you not agree?