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Given that there are only 7.5 billion humans on the planet, and that rather significantly fewer than 1 in 20 people are PyPy-using developers, perhaps those num

Given that there are only 7.5 billion humans on the planet, and that rather significantly fewer than 1 in 20 people are PyPy-using developers, perhaps those numbers should be taken with a grain of salt? The message I would take from those statistics is that needing a fresh download of Pypy is less common among 3.x users than among 2.7 users, who apparently needed to reinstall from the web at least a few times a day during 2016.

gsnedders 10y ago
It should be PyPI rather than PyPy in the parent, FWIW.
- coldtea 10y ago
  Oops, mea culpa.
coldtea 10y ago
>Given that there are only 7.5 billion humans on the planet, and that rather significantly fewer than 1 in 20 people are PyPy-using developers, perhaps those numbers should be taken with a grain of salt? Those are not downloads of PyPi, but of packages. It's not like "number of downloads == number of individual developers". Those are packages, including package updates. A single developer can download 50 deps across his codebase, and update them to later versions 2-3 times a year.
- dbaupp 10y ago
  That response is talking about something else because your original comment accidentally said "PyPy", which is an implementation of Python, instead of "PyPI", the package repository.
- orf 10y ago
  > A single developer can download 50 deps across his codebase, and update them to later versions 2-3 times a year. As if individual developers are the reason behind the bulk of the downloads. I wonder how many downloads Travis alone counts for? Your hate of Python 3 in every discussion about it is frankly baffling.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >As if individual developers are the reason behind the bulk of the downloads. I wonder how many downloads Travis alone counts for? Travis runs/tests user projects, so there's nothing about it that's especially partial to Python 2 over Python 3. >Your hate of Python 3 in every discussion about it is frankly baffling. Or, you know, my pragmatic assessment of its popularity. That you'd even use the word "hate" (when in fact, I like Python 3 over 2.7, even if its mostly tame updates over what 2.7 offers) shows that you're probably too partisan. I was enthused with Python 3 even when it was only a vision called Python3K back in 2000-ish. My personal preference has nothing to do with whether I see more people using it or not. The situation is not unlike the perennial "next year is when Linux dominates the desktop", which has been every year since 1999.
    - orf 10y ago
      > even if its mostly tame updates over what 2.7 offers > The situation is not unlike the perennial "next year is when Linux dominates the desktop", which has been every year since 1999. Your bias is showing, as it does in every comment section on this site regarding Python 3, as you make comment after comment about how inferior Python 3 is and how nobody is using it at all because your sample of 2 companies shows this and how it personally hurt your family or whatever. You don't stop. Either you hate it or you hate something else and use Python 3 as a vent.
      - coldtea 10y ago
        If by "your bias" your mean my assesment of the state of Python 3 vs 2, that doesn't change depending on whether I like the language or not, then we agree. >as you make comment after comment about how inferior Python 3 is Actually I've never made any such comment. In fact, tame updates" means that IT IS an update over 2.x, only not that much as it could be. Which most people I've read agree, or at least agreed until the async stuff. >and how nobody is using it at all because your sample of 2 companies shows this and how it personally hurt your family or whatever. Notice how I never said that, but actually gave concrete numbers that place those using it in much less (up to 1/8 less) of those who use 2.x? So why the lie? Less is not the same as "nobody at all", and doesn't fix by itself just because you really really wish more people used 3. >You don't stop. Yeah, I continue expressing my opinion and my argumentation. I should stop because you happen not to like it? Please don't bring "the feelz" into technical and community discussions. It cheapens the argumentation. If anything, it's you who are biased: 80% of your submissions on HN are for Python stories. One can acknowledge that D is way less popular than Golang or that Perl 6 failed to gain traction over 5, without hating Perl 6. Ditto for Python.
simula67 10y ago
> The message I would take from those statistics is that needing a fresh download of Pypy is less common among 3.x users than among 2.7 users, who apparently needed to reinstall from the web at least a few times a day during 2016. Occam's Razor would suggest that there are fewer Python 3 users

gsnedders 10y ago

It should be PyPI rather than PyPy in the parent, FWIW.

coldtea 10y ago
Oops, mea culpa.

coldtea 10y ago

>Given that there are only 7.5 billion humans on the planet, and that rather significantly fewer than 1 in 20 people are PyPy-using developers, perhaps those numbers should be taken with a grain of salt? Those are not downloads of PyPi, but of packages. It's not like "number of downloads == number of individual developers". Those are packages, including package updates. A single developer can download 50 deps across his codebase, and update them to later versions 2-3 times a year.

dbaupp 10y ago
That response is talking about something else because your original comment accidentally said "PyPy", which is an implementation of Python, instead of "PyPI", the package repository.
orf 10y ago
> A single developer can download 50 deps across his codebase, and update them to later versions 2-3 times a year. As if individual developers are the reason behind the bulk of the downloads. I wonder how many downloads Travis alone counts for? Your hate of Python 3 in every discussion about it is frankly baffling.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >As if individual developers are the reason behind the bulk of the downloads. I wonder how many downloads Travis alone counts for? Travis runs/tests user projects, so there's nothing about it that's especially partial to Python 2 over Python 3. >Your hate of Python 3 in every discussion about it is frankly baffling. Or, you know, my pragmatic assessment of its popularity. That you'd even use the word "hate" (when in fact, I like Python 3 over 2.7, even if its mostly tame updates over what 2.7 offers) shows that you're probably too partisan. I was enthused with Python 3 even when it was only a vision called Python3K back in 2000-ish. My personal preference has nothing to do with whether I see more people using it or not. The situation is not unlike the perennial "next year is when Linux dominates the desktop", which has been every year since 1999.
  - orf 10y ago
    > even if its mostly tame updates over what 2.7 offers > The situation is not unlike the perennial "next year is when Linux dominates the desktop", which has been every year since 1999. Your bias is showing, as it does in every comment section on this site regarding Python 3, as you make comment after comment about how inferior Python 3 is and how nobody is using it at all because your sample of 2 companies shows this and how it personally hurt your family or whatever. You don't stop. Either you hate it or you hate something else and use Python 3 as a vent.
    - coldtea 10y ago
      If by "your bias" your mean my assesment of the state of Python 3 vs 2, that doesn't change depending on whether I like the language or not, then we agree. >as you make comment after comment about how inferior Python 3 is Actually I've never made any such comment. In fact, tame updates" means that IT IS an update over 2.x, only not that much as it could be. Which most people I've read agree, or at least agreed until the async stuff. >and how nobody is using it at all because your sample of 2 companies shows this and how it personally hurt your family or whatever. Notice how I never said that, but actually gave concrete numbers that place those using it in much less (up to 1/8 less) of those who use 2.x? So why the lie? Less is not the same as "nobody at all", and doesn't fix by itself just because you really really wish more people used 3. >You don't stop. Yeah, I continue expressing my opinion and my argumentation. I should stop because you happen not to like it? Please don't bring "the feelz" into technical and community discussions. It cheapens the argumentation. If anything, it's you who are biased: 80% of your submissions on HN are for Python stories. One can acknowledge that D is way less popular than Golang or that Perl 6 failed to gain traction over 5, without hating Perl 6. Ditto for Python.

simula67 10y ago

> The message I would take from those statistics is that needing a fresh download of Pypy is less common among 3.x users than among 2.7 users, who apparently needed to reinstall from the web at least a few times a day during 2016. Occam's Razor would suggest that there are fewer Python 3 users