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So this is finally the year that Linux will take over. Again. I see no evidence that dev's are switching to Linux for their dev machine. And this recent peak

So this is finally the year that Linux will take over. Again. I see no evidence that dev's are switching to Linux for their dev machine. And this recent peak in anti-apple sentiment stinks to me of the same mentality that led to Britain leaving the EU and Trump becoming president. It goes along the lines of... "This thing isn't perfect by the definition of perfect that matters to me. So I declare it to be fundamentally and irrevocably broken. It should be thrown away and everyone should do this other ill thought through thing that I like" There's a case to be made for Linux, but if your case is always presented with an "Apple sucks" pre-amble, then I think you're really just a fanboy.

echion 10y ago
Wait, you're tarring op with Brexit and Trump, but op's the fanboy? [edit] To be fair, op/article mention no statistics to support the assertion that "developers are switching from Mac OS X to Linux", so on that basis I think it's fair to say the piece is pretty anecdotal or fluffy. But there are plenty of reasons why people switch from OS X to Linux (see other comments, for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13317879 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13317879 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13317234 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13317234 ).
- fetbaffe 10y ago
  Current anti-javascript sentiment that is going on? Yes, you guessed it, Trumpism. Oh, you don't like React? Damn Brexiteer! Future is here.
  - Pigo 10y ago
    Pepe and the alt-right promote Android, everyone knows this. We're just smart enough to ignore fake-news and see Apple is still king. This is classic..
- tomelders 10y ago
  Im talking about the faulty logic and wooly thinking that underpins all of those issues. Its all a symptom of that problem.
billsmithaustin 10y ago
I'm not sure name-calling is the best way to make your case. Couldn't someone who defends Apple against their shortcomings be written off as an Apple fanboy too?
blablabla123 10y ago
The thing is that around 5 years ago Apple made OS X really convenient for developers. Like Ruby, Python, Emacs preinstalled. Now they removed the Escape key which is really bad for voluntary and even involuntary vi users (SCM messages etc.) - of course there's a fix but WTF. Also the Graphic cards in the Macs aren't exactly top notch unless you spend 2000$+. Not to mention all these safety belts making usage of tools like dtruss/dtrace complicated and risky. Switching to Linux as soon as there's a convenient opportunity...
John23832 10y ago
> And this recent peak in anti-apple sentiment stinks to me of the same mentality that led to Britain leaving the EU and Trump becoming president. It goes along the lines of... "This thing isn't perfect by the definition of perfect that matters to me. So I declare it to be fundamentally and irrevocably broken. It should be thrown away and everyone should do this other ill thought through thing that I like" I don't really think that is a good analogy... If I move to linux, as long as I have the tools available, I just affect myself. The move to Brexit has wider reaching effects than just personal ones. That being said, linux is becoming more and more accepted in the mainstream. MICROSOFT supports .NET Core on linux. Pretty much every language/IDE/tooling kit is supported on linux first. Most devs are probably using Macs like linux boxes anyway, with Homebrew and Macports. I think previously the barrier to entry/change was higher going from Osx to linux. That barrier is pretty much gone. linux installations, especially on current/slightly older mac hardware, is plug and play. People seem to be upset about the moves that Apple is making, and for those people (admittedly this may be a vocal minority), it's easier than ever to switch. So they are.

echion 10y ago

Wait, you're tarring op with Brexit and Trump, but op's the fanboy? [edit] To be fair, op/article mention no statistics to support the assertion that "developers are switching from Mac OS X to Linux", so on that basis I think it's fair to say the piece is pretty anecdotal or fluffy. But there are plenty of reasons why people switch from OS X to Linux (see other comments, for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13317879 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13317879 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13317234 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13317234 ).

fetbaffe 10y ago
Current anti-javascript sentiment that is going on? Yes, you guessed it, Trumpism. Oh, you don't like React? Damn Brexiteer! Future is here.
- Pigo 10y ago
  Pepe and the alt-right promote Android, everyone knows this. We're just smart enough to ignore fake-news and see Apple is still king. This is classic..
tomelders 10y ago
Im talking about the faulty logic and wooly thinking that underpins all of those issues. Its all a symptom of that problem.

billsmithaustin 10y ago

I'm not sure name-calling is the best way to make your case. Couldn't someone who defends Apple against their shortcomings be written off as an Apple fanboy too?

blablabla123 10y ago

The thing is that around 5 years ago Apple made OS X really convenient for developers. Like Ruby, Python, Emacs preinstalled. Now they removed the Escape key which is really bad for voluntary and even involuntary vi users (SCM messages etc.) - of course there's a fix but WTF. Also the Graphic cards in the Macs aren't exactly top notch unless you spend 2000$+. Not to mention all these safety belts making usage of tools like dtruss/dtrace complicated and risky. Switching to Linux as soon as there's a convenient opportunity...

John23832 10y ago

> And this recent peak in anti-apple sentiment stinks to me of the same mentality that led to Britain leaving the EU and Trump becoming president. It goes along the lines of... "This thing isn't perfect by the definition of perfect that matters to me. So I declare it to be fundamentally and irrevocably broken. It should be thrown away and everyone should do this other ill thought through thing that I like" I don't really think that is a good analogy... If I move to linux, as long as I have the tools available, I just affect myself. The move to Brexit has wider reaching effects than just personal ones. That being said, linux is becoming more and more accepted in the mainstream. MICROSOFT supports .NET Core on linux. Pretty much every language/IDE/tooling kit is supported on linux first. Most devs are probably using Macs like linux boxes anyway, with Homebrew and Macports. I think previously the barrier to entry/change was higher going from Osx to linux. That barrier is pretty much gone. linux installations, especially on current/slightly older mac hardware, is plug and play. People seem to be upset about the moves that Apple is making, and for those people (admittedly this may be a vocal minority), it's easier than ever to switch. So they are.