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Closer, but not close!

by tener 10y ago

MichaelMoser123 10y ago
it has a tendency to be just 15 years away - the deadline keeps on moving though. I think that the main obstacle is language - language is terribly ambiguous, and its very difficult to deal with these ambiguities in a program. Hofstadter [1] says that the core of thinking are analogies and that many of the allusions in language can be thought of as analogies, however this does not seem to be the main focus of inquiry right now. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Surfaces-Essences-Analogy-Fuel-Thinking/dp/0465018475 https://www.amazon.com/Surfaces-Essences-Analogy-Fuel-Thinki... (my review & summary is here http://mosermichael.github.io/cstuff/all/blogg/2013/10/15/post-1.html http://mosermichael.github.io/cstuff/all/blogg/2013/10/15/po... )
- tener 10y ago
  Is it? Based on this post (and associated papers etc.) it looks like Google has very good grasp on this: https://research.googleblog.com/2016/09/a-neural-network-for-machine.html https://research.googleblog.com/2016/09/a-neural-network-for... I don't think that means they are close to General AI though.
- hacker_9 10y ago
  > language is terribly ambiguous I never get this argument. Sure, maybe it is from the point of the computer, but we humans use it just fine.
  - freehunter 10y ago
    Much of our comedy stems from how ambiguous our language is. How many petabytes on the Internet are wasted with comments correcting someone's use of language? How many hours are spent as kids in classrooms learning all of the context around our languages, and we still get it wrong often enough to be corrected on the Internet and made fun of in comedy TV shows. We're certainly not using it just fine, we're using it in spite of all its shortcomings. Do you know how often I'm driving while my wife is navigating and I ask "turn left here?" and she says "right"? Now, is she saying "correct, you should turn left" or is she saying "don't turn left, turn right"? Outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. –Groucho Marx I haven’t slept for ten days, because that would be too long. –Mitch Hedberg
    - hacker_9 10y ago
      > Much of our comedy stems from how ambiguous our language is. Yes, but we laugh because we understand there is an ambiguity, not because we don't see it. > How many petabytes on the Internet are wasted with comments correcting someone's use of language? People are pedantic on the net, plus on the world wide web not everyone is going to be an English first speaker. Spoken conversations don't have people correcting your grammar every 5 seconds. > wife is navigating and I ask "turn left here?" and she says "right" Well in this case she is being deliberately ambiguous. So you either tell by her tone inflection, or rely on previous memory. And of course you have the ability to ask her. > Outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. –Groucho Marx > I haven’t slept for ten days, because that would be too long. –Mitch Hedberg Again, I see and understand the ambiguity. I'm not sitting here dumbfounded; I 'get' that they turned the words back on themselves to mean something else.
- AnimalMuppet 10y ago
  I'm quoting someone, and I don't remember who, so I can't give credit where due. But they said that we'll know we have real AI when we ask the computer "Do you think?" and it replies "That reminds me of a story..."

Closer, but not close!

by tener 10y ago

Closer, but not close!

it has a tendency to be just 15 years away - the deadline keeps on moving though. I think that the main obstacle is language - language is terribly ambiguous, and its very difficult to deal with these ambiguities in a program. Hofstadter [1] says that the core of thinking are analogies and that many of the allusions in language can be thought of as analogies, however this does not seem to be the main focus of inquiry right now. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Surfaces-Essences-Analogy-Fuel-Thinking/dp/0465018475 https://www.amazon.com/Surfaces-Essences-Analogy-Fuel-Thinki... (my review & summary is here http://mosermichael.github.io/cstuff/all/blogg/2013/10/15/post-1.html http://mosermichael.github.io/cstuff/all/blogg/2013/10/15/po... )

tener 10y ago
Is it? Based on this post (and associated papers etc.) it looks like Google has very good grasp on this: https://research.googleblog.com/2016/09/a-neural-network-for-machine.html https://research.googleblog.com/2016/09/a-neural-network-for... I don't think that means they are close to General AI though.
hacker_9 10y ago
> language is terribly ambiguous I never get this argument. Sure, maybe it is from the point of the computer, but we humans use it just fine.
- freehunter 10y ago
  Much of our comedy stems from how ambiguous our language is. How many petabytes on the Internet are wasted with comments correcting someone's use of language? How many hours are spent as kids in classrooms learning all of the context around our languages, and we still get it wrong often enough to be corrected on the Internet and made fun of in comedy TV shows. We're certainly not using it just fine, we're using it in spite of all its shortcomings. Do you know how often I'm driving while my wife is navigating and I ask "turn left here?" and she says "right"? Now, is she saying "correct, you should turn left" or is she saying "don't turn left, turn right"? Outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. –Groucho Marx I haven’t slept for ten days, because that would be too long. –Mitch Hedberg
  - hacker_9 10y ago
    > Much of our comedy stems from how ambiguous our language is. Yes, but we laugh because we understand there is an ambiguity, not because we don't see it. > How many petabytes on the Internet are wasted with comments correcting someone's use of language? People are pedantic on the net, plus on the world wide web not everyone is going to be an English first speaker. Spoken conversations don't have people correcting your grammar every 5 seconds. > wife is navigating and I ask "turn left here?" and she says "right" Well in this case she is being deliberately ambiguous. So you either tell by her tone inflection, or rely on previous memory. And of course you have the ability to ask her. > Outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. –Groucho Marx > I haven’t slept for ten days, because that would be too long. –Mitch Hedberg Again, I see and understand the ambiguity. I'm not sitting here dumbfounded; I 'get' that they turned the words back on themselves to mean something else.
AnimalMuppet 10y ago
I'm quoting someone, and I don't remember who, so I can't give credit where due. But they said that we'll know we have real AI when we ask the computer "Do you think?" and it replies "That reminds me of a story..."