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I would probably spend more than 100 hours until I got to a point of equivalence with SpaceMacs, starting from a plain emacs. Especially since I use quite a fe

I would probably spend more than 100 hours until I got to a point of equivalence with SpaceMacs, starting from a plain emacs. Especially since I use quite a few different languages. Ain't nobody got time for that...

tom_mellior 10y ago
The OP's point was not "equivalence", it was a "sweet spot". Even with "quite a few different languages", if the standard Emacs modes are close enough to the sweet spot, you don't need Spacemacs.
- the_duke 10y ago
  It's a matter of preference and dedication. Some love bringing their emacs/vim setup to their own perfection and spend a lot of time on it. Other are too lazy for that and are fine with a preconfigured setup like SpaceMacs. Whatever you prefer. My point just was, for someone like me, SpaceMacs is a truly awesome project.
Philipp__ 10y ago
The point is how much of Spacemacs you end up using?! And in which languages you work? Because, what consumes your time is not setup, with use-package setup becomes trivial really, what sucks you in is learning the plugins and how they work (cider, ensime, alchemist, magit, merlin, those are serious environments not just syntax/autocomplete plugins). Idk if they come with spacemacs, I doubt it, but what then makes the difference if they come with Spacemacs or not, since most of the time you will spent on learning them, and not setting them up. Spacemacs is so customized that it is like learning new editor from ground up, at least for me. Last year I spent solely using and learning Emacs, to the point where every command and keybinds made sense, before that I used Vim for years. After one year of training I decided to install EVIL, and now I am enjoying Emacs and Vim a lot. Yesterday I downloaded spacemacs, opened it and I was like, ugh, wtf now?! I just go overwhelmed by the amount of preexisting code which I did not understand, and needed to crash a lot of hours to get everything from ground zero.
- the_duke 10y ago
  Just configuring all of the plugins with good key bindings takes a fair amount of time. Just one of the things that SpaceMacs provides. After a week or two with SpaceMacs I tried to start from a plain emacs and build up my own config, but I gave up. Just too much hassle for me. I probably would not have enjoyed SpaceMacs if I had used emacs at all before. But I switched directly from Vim with no prior emacs experience, so for me it's a perfect fit.
  - Philipp__ 10y ago
    Yup, you are right. When I deleted Vim and Installed Emacs, I wanted to learn Emacs and Lisp. That said I found configuring Emacs from scratch pretty good for what I want so I sticked to it. But I think that it is not that scary and hard as you might think! In 2 weeks I think you would be standing satisfied with your new humble and clean Emacs configuration. :)
    - the_duke 10y ago
      My problem is that I'm not happy enough with emacs to fully dedicate myself. I'd have to write my own editor for that. ;)
- cesnja 10y ago
  Magit (with evil-magit) in Spacemacs is wonderful. It has the right balance of modal keyboard shortcuts and a nice UI. Took me some time to feel comfortable with it, but now I'm faster with it than in a normal terminal.

tom_mellior 10y ago

The OP's point was not "equivalence", it was a "sweet spot". Even with "quite a few different languages", if the standard Emacs modes are close enough to the sweet spot, you don't need Spacemacs.

the_duke 10y ago
It's a matter of preference and dedication. Some love bringing their emacs/vim setup to their own perfection and spend a lot of time on it. Other are too lazy for that and are fine with a preconfigured setup like SpaceMacs. Whatever you prefer. My point just was, for someone like me, SpaceMacs is a truly awesome project.

Philipp__ 10y ago

The point is how much of Spacemacs you end up using?! And in which languages you work? Because, what consumes your time is not setup, with use-package setup becomes trivial really, what sucks you in is learning the plugins and how they work (cider, ensime, alchemist, magit, merlin, those are serious environments not just syntax/autocomplete plugins). Idk if they come with spacemacs, I doubt it, but what then makes the difference if they come with Spacemacs or not, since most of the time you will spent on learning them, and not setting them up. Spacemacs is so customized that it is like learning new editor from ground up, at least for me. Last year I spent solely using and learning Emacs, to the point where every command and keybinds made sense, before that I used Vim for years. After one year of training I decided to install EVIL, and now I am enjoying Emacs and Vim a lot. Yesterday I downloaded spacemacs, opened it and I was like, ugh, wtf now?! I just go overwhelmed by the amount of preexisting code which I did not understand, and needed to crash a lot of hours to get everything from ground zero.

the_duke 10y ago
Just configuring all of the plugins with good key bindings takes a fair amount of time. Just one of the things that SpaceMacs provides. After a week or two with SpaceMacs I tried to start from a plain emacs and build up my own config, but I gave up. Just too much hassle for me. I probably would not have enjoyed SpaceMacs if I had used emacs at all before. But I switched directly from Vim with no prior emacs experience, so for me it's a perfect fit.
- Philipp__ 10y ago
  Yup, you are right. When I deleted Vim and Installed Emacs, I wanted to learn Emacs and Lisp. That said I found configuring Emacs from scratch pretty good for what I want so I sticked to it. But I think that it is not that scary and hard as you might think! In 2 weeks I think you would be standing satisfied with your new humble and clean Emacs configuration. :)
  - the_duke 10y ago
    My problem is that I'm not happy enough with emacs to fully dedicate myself. I'd have to write my own editor for that. ;)
cesnja 10y ago
Magit (with evil-magit) in Spacemacs is wonderful. It has the right balance of modal keyboard shortcuts and a nice UI. Took me some time to feel comfortable with it, but now I'm faster with it than in a normal terminal.