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The FCC legally regulates use of the electromagnetic spectrum. For example, FCC conformance for EMI in electronic devices is not some optional stamp of approval

The FCC legally regulates use of the electromagnetic spectrum. For example, FCC conformance for EMI in electronic devices is not some optional stamp of approval for the benefit of discerning consumers. It's a legal requirement.

NateyJay 10y ago
The FCC says don't maliciously interfere with other people's transmissions, yes. But if someone agrees to be sent deauth frames by the hotel, it's not interference anymore, it's the agreed and expected behaviour.
- msravi 10y ago
  I can stand just outside the venue and sue them for sending me deauth frames... I haven't entered the venue, I haven't agreed to their terms, and they're interfering with my transmission/reception.
  - NateyJay 10y ago
    Very true! I'm only questioning the case where the blocking is limited to people inside.
    - boomlinde 10y ago
      The classic hotel-is-a-faraday-cage case...
      - nitrogen 10y ago
        That would be the Trump hotel in Las Vegas. There's a metal film on the windows that interferes with cell signals, or at least it did last time I was there a few years ago.
    - Kadin 10y ago
      That case isn't what's under dispute, and is unlikely to exist, since most buildings make pretty poor Faraday cages. So it's not really that relevant. Furthermore, even if the building was a perfect Faraday cage, there are other issues, such as the laws governing public accommodations, and the special scrutiny imposed on "contracts of adhesion" (take-it-or-leave-it standard form contracts) when analyzing them for unconscionability, plus the FCC's mandate which doesn't stop at property boundaries and generally can't be overridden by private contracts anyway. It's not clear that it would be allowable even if you set aside the near-certainty of interference outside the property of the interferor.
- disiplus 10y ago
  afaik it does not work like that. same as u cannot agree that i can kill you. the agency regulates the spectrum, and nobody else, the spectrum is not my or from the hotel, so i cannot agree that they can block it or not.

NateyJay 10y ago

The FCC says don't maliciously interfere with other people's transmissions, yes. But if someone agrees to be sent deauth frames by the hotel, it's not interference anymore, it's the agreed and expected behaviour.

msravi 10y ago
I can stand just outside the venue and sue them for sending me deauth frames... I haven't entered the venue, I haven't agreed to their terms, and they're interfering with my transmission/reception.
- NateyJay 10y ago
  Very true! I'm only questioning the case where the blocking is limited to people inside.
  - boomlinde 10y ago
    The classic hotel-is-a-faraday-cage case...
    - nitrogen 10y ago
      That would be the Trump hotel in Las Vegas. There's a metal film on the windows that interferes with cell signals, or at least it did last time I was there a few years ago.
  - Kadin 10y ago
    That case isn't what's under dispute, and is unlikely to exist, since most buildings make pretty poor Faraday cages. So it's not really that relevant. Furthermore, even if the building was a perfect Faraday cage, there are other issues, such as the laws governing public accommodations, and the special scrutiny imposed on "contracts of adhesion" (take-it-or-leave-it standard form contracts) when analyzing them for unconscionability, plus the FCC's mandate which doesn't stop at property boundaries and generally can't be overridden by private contracts anyway. It's not clear that it would be allowable even if you set aside the near-certainty of interference outside the property of the interferor.
disiplus 10y ago
afaik it does not work like that. same as u cannot agree that i can kill you. the agency regulates the spectrum, and nobody else, the spectrum is not my or from the hotel, so i cannot agree that they can block it or not.