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Why hide that you're changing the election result? Well, I can imagine cases where it's not worth the bother, but they hardly seem like the default.

• taeric 10y ago
  My point is look at pretty much every election where democracy actually left. Not exactly subtle fraud going on. (Though, I will confess I have not tabulated this, so would be very curious in full numbers.)
  • jsharpe 10y ago
    This is a tautology. You're saying that in every election where fraud was obvious ("democracy actually left"), fraud was obvious. There is probably a lot more subtle election fraud that is never detected.
    • taeric 10y ago
      Hmm... I'm trying to say in every election that was manipulated, it was not subtle fraud that was the problem. I have little doubt that some fraud happens. I just don't think it typically matters. In most cases where it was not detected, it had no bearing on the outcome. Now, overt manipulation of the voting populace through propaganda or other means is very common and has definitely happened. Ballet fraud, though? Are there any documented cases of that being a thing that mattered?
  • thegeomaster 10y ago
    See e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavian_general_election,_2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavian_general_election,_...