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what makes you think that? also: my 2011 sandy bridge (2600k or 2700k, at work so can't check) does fine. these days the gpu is the major arbiter of gaming per

by abiox 10y ago

what makes you think that? also: my 2011 sandy bridge (2600k or 2700k, at work so can't check) does fine. these days the gpu is the major arbiter of gaming performance.

tomc1985 10y ago
Actually.... While GPU is a MAJOR arbiter, CPU can bottleneck you too and it can hit you in the FPS. Years ago my gaming PC had inexplicably low FPS for the GPU it was using, and GPU utilization wasn't anywhere near 100% but CPU was... pop in a new chip+mobo and gaming was waaaay more enjoyable. There are subtle differences in how bottlenecked GPU vs CPU acts in most games, but they're there.
- Vadoff 10y ago
  CPU can be a bottle-neck, but only if the game happens to be very CPU-heavy (rare) and you happen to have a poor CPU. In most modern games, a better CPU may yield a 10 FPS improvement, while a better GPU for the same price would yield 3x that.
  - mos_basik 10y ago
    Dwarf Fortress would like a word with you. :) Probably also Factorio. But I suppose it's accurate to say, in general terms and given the kinds of games that are currently most popular, GPU bottlenecking is much more common.
    - gspetr 10y ago
      Dwarf Fortress was discussed on HN a few times and even the author admitted that the code quality is bad and it's unoptimized. I don't think it's a compelling argument for CPU being the bottleneck when your example is an unoptimized game with a sloppy codebase.
      - tomc1985 10y ago
        Why not? Out in the real world most users don't have the ability to peer into their code and recompile. Computing has a rich history of throwing hardware at problems when you can't fix em in software
        gspetr 10y ago
        Isn't this a contradiction in your own point? > throwing hardware at problems when you can't fix em in software DF's problems can be fixed in software, it's just that the creator chose not to. He likes spending his time adding more features instead, performance be damned. Not that I blame him, he can do as he pleases with his own project.
    - tomc1985 10y ago
      I had similar experiences with ATB, Guild Wars 2, and Skyrim. Lots of games are heavy on the CPU

by abiox 10y ago

what makes you think that? also: my 2011 sandy bridge (2600k or 2700k, at work so can't check) does fine. these days the gpu is the major arbiter of gaming performance.

tomc1985 10y ago

Actually.... While GPU is a MAJOR arbiter, CPU can bottleneck you too and it can hit you in the FPS. Years ago my gaming PC had inexplicably low FPS for the GPU it was using, and GPU utilization wasn't anywhere near 100% but CPU was... pop in a new chip+mobo and gaming was waaaay more enjoyable. There are subtle differences in how bottlenecked GPU vs CPU acts in most games, but they're there.

Vadoff 10y ago
CPU can be a bottle-neck, but only if the game happens to be very CPU-heavy (rare) and you happen to have a poor CPU. In most modern games, a better CPU may yield a 10 FPS improvement, while a better GPU for the same price would yield 3x that.
- mos_basik 10y ago
  Dwarf Fortress would like a word with you. :) Probably also Factorio. But I suppose it's accurate to say, in general terms and given the kinds of games that are currently most popular, GPU bottlenecking is much more common.
  - gspetr 10y ago
    Dwarf Fortress was discussed on HN a few times and even the author admitted that the code quality is bad and it's unoptimized. I don't think it's a compelling argument for CPU being the bottleneck when your example is an unoptimized game with a sloppy codebase.
    - tomc1985 10y ago
      Why not? Out in the real world most users don't have the ability to peer into their code and recompile. Computing has a rich history of throwing hardware at problems when you can't fix em in software
      - gspetr 10y ago
        Isn't this a contradiction in your own point? > throwing hardware at problems when you can't fix em in software DF's problems can be fixed in software, it's just that the creator chose not to. He likes spending his time adding more features instead, performance be damned. Not that I blame him, he can do as he pleases with his own project.
  - tomc1985 10y ago
    I had similar experiences with ATB, Guild Wars 2, and Skyrim. Lots of games are heavy on the CPU