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It is the stuff around the cpu that is improving. Those 2013 chips cannot properly drive a 4k display. Even a 2014 macbook pro with amd graphics is sluggish o

It is the stuff around the cpu that is improving. Those 2013 chips cannot properly drive a 4k display. Even a 2014 macbook pro with amd graphics is sluggish on 4k. But, a modern skylake with intel 530 integrated graphics can drive a 4k screen at 60hz without any mouse lag.

kogepathic 10y ago
> Those 2013 chips cannot properly drive a 4k display. Which honestly seems pretty fair. 4K wasn't mainstream in 2013, you needed to spend a lot of money to buy a 4K display or projector. [0] I wouldn't say that most people purchasing a Mac Mini are planning to use a 4K display with it, considering its target market is people who want to buy a Mac (without an integrated display) but don't want to shell out for a Mac Pro. The Mac Pro not supporting 4K is a problem, one that has been brought up by many other people as an example of how Apple is ignoring the Pro market segment. [0] http://www.alphr.com/news/382774/asus-takes-pre-orders-on-first-4k-monitor-for-3-500 http://www.alphr.com/news/382774/asus-takes-pre-orders-on-fi...
- potatolicious 10y ago
  The Mac Mini's specs were pretty fair for 2013, but selling them in 2017 is pretty atrocious. 4K display prices are down, way down, and well within the normal consumer range now - you can pick up a very nice 4K monitor for $300 or less. It's not unreasonable to expect a Mac being sold new in 2017 to be able to drive it...
Stratoscope 10y ago
> Even a 2014 macbook pro with amd graphics is sluggish on 4k. I have a late 2013 MBPR (NVIDIA GT750M) with an external 4K monitor in portrait mode connected via DisplayPort, plus the laptop's display. Both are running at 60Hz. I don't see any sluggishness or mouse lag at all; everything is very smooth. I mostly run Windows 10 on this machine, but it also works fine when I boot in to OSX.
- quicklyfrozen 10y ago
  I'm sure he's talking about MBPs with only Intel graphics (which frankly seemed a little underpowered for the Retina display much less a 4k monitor).
  - Stratoscope 10y ago
    Actually not: "a 2014 macbook pro with amd graphics". A while back I tested a 2014 MBPR with the AMD GPU vs. my late 2013 model with NVIDIA, and the AMD was a bit faster.
    - quicklyfrozen 10y ago
      Not sure how I missed that...
- robotjosh 10y ago
  I thought the macbook with amd was fine on 4k especially after getting the right cable for 60hz. The i5 with intel 530 is better. Maybe it is because graphics cards are designed more for 3d processing than for general 4k performance. I tried playing a 2d shooting game on each and for whatever reason the intel 530 system was less latent and much easier to win. The macbook is as smooth as the intel 530 when on its native screen but not when it drives a 4k screen.

kogepathic 10y ago

> Those 2013 chips cannot properly drive a 4k display. Which honestly seems pretty fair. 4K wasn't mainstream in 2013, you needed to spend a lot of money to buy a 4K display or projector. [0] I wouldn't say that most people purchasing a Mac Mini are planning to use a 4K display with it, considering its target market is people who want to buy a Mac (without an integrated display) but don't want to shell out for a Mac Pro. The Mac Pro not supporting 4K is a problem, one that has been brought up by many other people as an example of how Apple is ignoring the Pro market segment. [0] http://www.alphr.com/news/382774/asus-takes-pre-orders-on-first-4k-monitor-for-3-500 http://www.alphr.com/news/382774/asus-takes-pre-orders-on-fi...

potatolicious 10y ago
The Mac Mini's specs were pretty fair for 2013, but selling them in 2017 is pretty atrocious. 4K display prices are down, way down, and well within the normal consumer range now - you can pick up a very nice 4K monitor for $300 or less. It's not unreasonable to expect a Mac being sold new in 2017 to be able to drive it...

Stratoscope 10y ago

> Even a 2014 macbook pro with amd graphics is sluggish on 4k. I have a late 2013 MBPR (NVIDIA GT750M) with an external 4K monitor in portrait mode connected via DisplayPort, plus the laptop's display. Both are running at 60Hz. I don't see any sluggishness or mouse lag at all; everything is very smooth. I mostly run Windows 10 on this machine, but it also works fine when I boot in to OSX.

quicklyfrozen 10y ago
I'm sure he's talking about MBPs with only Intel graphics (which frankly seemed a little underpowered for the Retina display much less a 4k monitor).
- Stratoscope 10y ago
  Actually not: "a 2014 macbook pro with amd graphics". A while back I tested a 2014 MBPR with the AMD GPU vs. my late 2013 model with NVIDIA, and the AMD was a bit faster.
  - quicklyfrozen 10y ago
    Not sure how I missed that...
robotjosh 10y ago
I thought the macbook with amd was fine on 4k especially after getting the right cable for 60hz. The i5 with intel 530 is better. Maybe it is because graphics cards are designed more for 3d processing than for general 4k performance. I tried playing a 2d shooting game on each and for whatever reason the intel 530 system was less latent and much easier to win. The macbook is as smooth as the intel 530 when on its native screen but not when it drives a 4k screen.