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> but when I try to use Windows my hand (mouse hand) cramps up and I get angry and frustrated Same here! Also i start to suffer from 'update-fatigue' when usin

> but when I try to use Windows my hand (mouse hand) cramps up and I get angry and frustrated Same here! Also i start to suffer from 'update-fatigue' when using Windows. The endless updates, reboots, and god knows what it's doing in the background which consumes resources... it all just feels so clumsy. I've never experienced anything like this in OSX.

untog 10y ago
Really? Because OS X pesters me about pending updates via the App Store all the time, and the only deferment option it provides is "wait until tonight".
- rahkiin 10y ago
  Except it will tell you and you can say no. On Windows, you can only extend the actual reboot, sometimes, and that within 30 seconds. If you go for a pee, you might return to a rebooting machine.
  - morganvachon 10y ago
    Sounds like you need to specify your active hours. See these settings in the Windows Update settings panel: http://imgur.com/VfcdIEd http://imgur.com/VfcdIEd
    - Roboprog 10y ago
      It's unfortunate that a user needs to find such an option. It's likely that the location and UI of the option will be changed yet again each release. MS "needs" (?) to prioritize "don't torment your users". Of course, for corporate captives, they can torment away with impunity since The Management has already decided You Must Endure... (and probably locked out the setting in question, as well)
      - morganvachon 10y ago
        I've noticed since the big update (Anniversary Update), the default setting is a sane "after hours" range of 9pm to 7am on a fresh installation. So, it seems they are improving and are attempting to avoid situations where you're at work in the middle of the day, step away for coffee, and come back to find an update/reboot cycle has wiped out your hard work. I was pointing out the setting for the OP because either he hasn't updated far enough to get the sane default, or he's somehow changed it without knowing and needs to fix it.
        Roboprog 10y ago
        Well, that's a lot better than the nagware that used to run during our first-thing-in-the-morning calls 3 or 4 years ago. Hopefully corporate IT doesn't screw it up (of course looking it down, fully screwed). I still like the Mac's unobtrusive "get it tonight after I shut down" option, though :-) (or Ubuntu's "I'll get it when I'm good and ready", but that's not a system for worker bees)
      - GrumpyYoungMan 10y ago
        >MS "needs" (?) to prioritize "don't torment your users". No, no they don't. If the user knows what they're doing, they run Windows Update manually at times when it's convenient for them (e.g. just before going out to lunch) so that they never encounter a forced reboot situation. If the user doesn't know what they're doing, they exactly the people who need to be forced to the latest update so they don't wind up inadvertently joining a botnet. And, of course, there are ways to forcibly disable WU for really advanced users but at that point whatever befalls them is quite clearly their own responsibility. So, win-win for everybody but the malware makers.
        Roboprog 10y ago
        You're right, they don't :-( Like IBM and Oracle, MS is in the position of "Management says we've already won, so suck it, users!"
        10y ago
freehunter 10y ago
That's probably the only thing that truly irritates me about Windows these days. Everything else is just a design decision that, as a technical user, I am easily able to adapt to. But not knowing if my machine is going to decide to reboot itself at any random moment without me having the option to stop it from doing that? Unacceptable. Completely unacceptable. I know you should save often and bad things can happen like a power outage or a glitch or something, but those things are rare. My Windows 10 machine choosing to reboot itself without telling me? At least once a week. Imagine if you had random power outages once a week, and having a UPS plugged in couldn't stop it.
- medemas-os 10y ago
  >> But not knowing if my machine is going to decide to reboot itself at any random moment without me having the option to stop it from doing that? Unacceptable. Completely unacceptable. First of all you can set the time interval when the Windows will be able to update https://i.imgur.com/BZNadeE.png https://i.imgur.com/BZNadeE.png And even if you are working in this time Windows ask you what do you prefer - reboot now or later. I'am not Windows fanboy. I sue MacOS, Windows and Linux at the same time.
  - freehunter 10y ago
    Yes, you can set what time it will reboot, but you can't set it to "never", or even "next week". And the pop-up to reboot does not take control of the screen, so if you're doing something full screen like a game or a Powerpoint presentation, you miss it and have to wait for the reboot. Even if you're in front of a client. When I'm done with my work for the day on Windows and I go to bed, I'm never sure if everything will still be there when I wake up. Far too often I wake up and I'm at a login screen with all of my active windows and documents closed. That's incredibly disruptive, and there's no way to stop that. There is no way to tell Windows 10 "don't reboot until I explicitly ask you to do so".
slantyyz 10y ago
>> The endless updates, reboots, and god knows what it's doing in the background which consumes resources... Really? Windows has its share of hair pulling annoyances to be sure, but endless might be overstating it. In my experience since switching, I find that resource consumption is comparable to OSX. I get that this is anecdotal, but I leave my main machines on 24-7, and I basically only reboot when an update forces me to, which sometimes is once a week (when there are frequent updates), but most of the time it is for stretches longer than two weeks.
lightbyte 10y ago
I think you are exaggerating a tad. I have my W10 set to the fast-lane for preview updates and I still do not get updates very often.
QSIITurbo 10y ago
I assume this fixes the reboot problem: http://superuser.com/questions/946957/stopping-all-automatic-updates-windows-10 http://superuser.com/questions/946957/stopping-all-automatic... I'm managing a friend's Win10Pro machine and so far it's been awesome. On the other hand, OSX which I'm running seems clunky and old-fashioned.

untog 10y ago

Really? Because OS X pesters me about pending updates via the App Store all the time, and the only deferment option it provides is "wait until tonight".

rahkiin 10y ago
Except it will tell you and you can say no. On Windows, you can only extend the actual reboot, sometimes, and that within 30 seconds. If you go for a pee, you might return to a rebooting machine.
- morganvachon 10y ago
  Sounds like you need to specify your active hours. See these settings in the Windows Update settings panel: http://imgur.com/VfcdIEd http://imgur.com/VfcdIEd
  - Roboprog 10y ago
    It's unfortunate that a user needs to find such an option. It's likely that the location and UI of the option will be changed yet again each release. MS "needs" (?) to prioritize "don't torment your users". Of course, for corporate captives, they can torment away with impunity since The Management has already decided You Must Endure... (and probably locked out the setting in question, as well)
    - morganvachon 10y ago
      I've noticed since the big update (Anniversary Update), the default setting is a sane "after hours" range of 9pm to 7am on a fresh installation. So, it seems they are improving and are attempting to avoid situations where you're at work in the middle of the day, step away for coffee, and come back to find an update/reboot cycle has wiped out your hard work. I was pointing out the setting for the OP because either he hasn't updated far enough to get the sane default, or he's somehow changed it without knowing and needs to fix it.
      - Roboprog 10y ago
        Well, that's a lot better than the nagware that used to run during our first-thing-in-the-morning calls 3 or 4 years ago. Hopefully corporate IT doesn't screw it up (of course looking it down, fully screwed). I still like the Mac's unobtrusive "get it tonight after I shut down" option, though :-) (or Ubuntu's "I'll get it when I'm good and ready", but that's not a system for worker bees)
    - GrumpyYoungMan 10y ago
      >MS "needs" (?) to prioritize "don't torment your users". No, no they don't. If the user knows what they're doing, they run Windows Update manually at times when it's convenient for them (e.g. just before going out to lunch) so that they never encounter a forced reboot situation. If the user doesn't know what they're doing, they exactly the people who need to be forced to the latest update so they don't wind up inadvertently joining a botnet. And, of course, there are ways to forcibly disable WU for really advanced users but at that point whatever befalls them is quite clearly their own responsibility. So, win-win for everybody but the malware makers.
      - Roboprog 10y ago
        You're right, they don't :-( Like IBM and Oracle, MS is in the position of "Management says we've already won, so suck it, users!"
        10y ago

freehunter 10y ago

That's probably the only thing that truly irritates me about Windows these days. Everything else is just a design decision that, as a technical user, I am easily able to adapt to. But not knowing if my machine is going to decide to reboot itself at any random moment without me having the option to stop it from doing that? Unacceptable. Completely unacceptable. I know you should save often and bad things can happen like a power outage or a glitch or something, but those things are rare. My Windows 10 machine choosing to reboot itself without telling me? At least once a week. Imagine if you had random power outages once a week, and having a UPS plugged in couldn't stop it.

medemas-os 10y ago
>> But not knowing if my machine is going to decide to reboot itself at any random moment without me having the option to stop it from doing that? Unacceptable. Completely unacceptable. First of all you can set the time interval when the Windows will be able to update https://i.imgur.com/BZNadeE.png https://i.imgur.com/BZNadeE.png And even if you are working in this time Windows ask you what do you prefer - reboot now or later. I'am not Windows fanboy. I sue MacOS, Windows and Linux at the same time.
- freehunter 10y ago
  Yes, you can set what time it will reboot, but you can't set it to "never", or even "next week". And the pop-up to reboot does not take control of the screen, so if you're doing something full screen like a game or a Powerpoint presentation, you miss it and have to wait for the reboot. Even if you're in front of a client. When I'm done with my work for the day on Windows and I go to bed, I'm never sure if everything will still be there when I wake up. Far too often I wake up and I'm at a login screen with all of my active windows and documents closed. That's incredibly disruptive, and there's no way to stop that. There is no way to tell Windows 10 "don't reboot until I explicitly ask you to do so".

slantyyz 10y ago

>> The endless updates, reboots, and god knows what it's doing in the background which consumes resources... Really? Windows has its share of hair pulling annoyances to be sure, but endless might be overstating it. In my experience since switching, I find that resource consumption is comparable to OSX. I get that this is anecdotal, but I leave my main machines on 24-7, and I basically only reboot when an update forces me to, which sometimes is once a week (when there are frequent updates), but most of the time it is for stretches longer than two weeks.

lightbyte 10y ago

I think you are exaggerating a tad. I have my W10 set to the fast-lane for preview updates and I still do not get updates very often.

QSIITurbo 10y ago

I assume this fixes the reboot problem: http://superuser.com/questions/946957/stopping-all-automatic-updates-windows-10 http://superuser.com/questions/946957/stopping-all-automatic... I'm managing a friend's Win10Pro machine and so far it's been awesome. On the other hand, OSX which I'm running seems clunky and old-fashioned.