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I feel like Apple are one of the few large SV companies that are producing products for their users. For everyone else the user is a resource that they're sell

by new299 10y ago

I feel like Apple are one of the few large SV companies that are producing products for their users. For everyone else the user is a resource that they're selling to advertisers. They've shown they're willing to stand up for user rights. For this reason alone I hope they continue to be successful.

Lio 10y ago
I totally agree with this but at the same time I'm annoyed with the current state of macOS and the Mac product line. The Mac (and maybe the AirPort Extreme) are the only Apple products I really care about or depend on. I'm holding on to my iPhone because Apple have a great strategy with regard to privacy and user rights but I'm not upgrading it because I'm pissed off about the Mac. Pathetic as that is, as a Mac user it's about the only small leverage available. Sadly, I think Tim knows more about business than me. For every disgruntled, Unix loving, Mac user they loose they'll probably add 10 more iOS users for whom emoji are culturally interesting. :(
- new299 10y ago
  As a UNIX-like system loving dev... I always found macs (running MacOS) a bit frustrating for dev work. It's nice that you have a familiar command structure to work with, but installing software from homebrew/whatever else was always a nightmare. They were nice laptops... but it seems inefficient. So I maintain 2 laptop. A macbook which I basically use for Skype and office work (and use about twice a month), and a cheap Thinkpad running Linux for dev work. When I need more power, I can pull the drive out of the Thinkpad and throw it in a desktop and it just works. So... I think it's kind of hard to make a good case for macbooks as ideal general purpose dev machines. And they were really never meant to be general purpose dev machines. They probably work great for Mac/iOS dev and general purpose applications though.
  - Lio 10y ago
    Each to their own I suppose. I personally don't find homebrew to be a nightmare at all but that is of course anecdotal. You are mistaken if you think that Apple never intended the Mac to be used for general purpose Unix development though, they used to advertise it for that purpose on the science section of their website, before it was removed. https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple-drops-science-as-core-market-web-page-deleted https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple-drops-science-...
    - grzm 10y ago
      Apple used to prominently promote its Unix heritage. For example, here's an article from MacWorld in 2001. http://www.macworld.com/article/1001970/21osx-unix.html http://www.macworld.com/article/1001970/21osx-unix.html And an advertisement: "Sends other UNIX boxes to /dev/null" http://www.mackungfu.org/vintage-os-x-ad-emphasises-unix-power http://www.mackungfu.org/vintage-os-x-ad-emphasises-unix-pow...

by new299 10y ago

Lio 10y ago

I totally agree with this but at the same time I'm annoyed with the current state of macOS and the Mac product line. The Mac (and maybe the AirPort Extreme) are the only Apple products I really care about or depend on. I'm holding on to my iPhone because Apple have a great strategy with regard to privacy and user rights but I'm not upgrading it because I'm pissed off about the Mac. Pathetic as that is, as a Mac user it's about the only small leverage available. Sadly, I think Tim knows more about business than me. For every disgruntled, Unix loving, Mac user they loose they'll probably add 10 more iOS users for whom emoji are culturally interesting. :(

new299 10y ago
As a UNIX-like system loving dev... I always found macs (running MacOS) a bit frustrating for dev work. It's nice that you have a familiar command structure to work with, but installing software from homebrew/whatever else was always a nightmare. They were nice laptops... but it seems inefficient. So I maintain 2 laptop. A macbook which I basically use for Skype and office work (and use about twice a month), and a cheap Thinkpad running Linux for dev work. When I need more power, I can pull the drive out of the Thinkpad and throw it in a desktop and it just works. So... I think it's kind of hard to make a good case for macbooks as ideal general purpose dev machines. And they were really never meant to be general purpose dev machines. They probably work great for Mac/iOS dev and general purpose applications though.
- Lio 10y ago
  Each to their own I suppose. I personally don't find homebrew to be a nightmare at all but that is of course anecdotal. You are mistaken if you think that Apple never intended the Mac to be used for general purpose Unix development though, they used to advertise it for that purpose on the science section of their website, before it was removed. https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple-drops-science-as-core-market-web-page-deleted https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple-drops-science-...
  - grzm 10y ago
    Apple used to prominently promote its Unix heritage. For example, here's an article from MacWorld in 2001. http://www.macworld.com/article/1001970/21osx-unix.html http://www.macworld.com/article/1001970/21osx-unix.html And an advertisement: "Sends other UNIX boxes to /dev/null" http://www.mackungfu.org/vintage-os-x-ad-emphasises-unix-power http://www.mackungfu.org/vintage-os-x-ad-emphasises-unix-pow...