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Apple has forgotten how to compete in the computer industry. In the old days there was a ruthless and relentless refresh cycle with manufacturers working hard a

by hoodoof 10y ago

Apple has forgotten how to compete in the computer industry. In the old days there was a ruthless and relentless refresh cycle with manufacturers working hard and fast to trump each other with more advanced products. Apple appears to simply no longer have that cycle as part of its business DNA, and no longer seems to even understand that is what the computer industry is (or was) about. I am looking ever more favorably at Windows again.

Razengan 10y ago
The new MacBooks outsold all their competitors, so I glean that they still know how to compete: https://intelligence.slice.com/apples-macbook-pro-launch/ https://intelligence.slice.com/apples-macbook-pro-launch/
- hoodoof 10y ago
  Maybe there was record sales because there was a record number of years since the hardware was last updated. Latent demand = sales. It's certainly not due to the effusive praise of the press.
  - Razengan 10y ago
    Conversely, this could also mean that the "press" and the vocal majority on a few online forums have no bearing on what people out there really want. In almost every discussion about this, you will see some people who have actually purchased — unlike the detractors — these machines and are happy with them. I personally don't see anything bad about the new MacBooks either, except the lack of out-of-the-box compatibility with the new iPhones/EarPods, and their price point in relation to my budget at this current point in time. I will definitely be buying one as soon as I can afford it. Going all USB3/Thunderbolt only is very good, exciting even, and harkens back to 2 decades ago when the very first iMac came out as the first every USB-only computer. The wide color displays have to be seen in person to be appreciated. The battery problems and GPU glitches have been found to be on the software side, iirc, and some of those issues have already been patched.
    - gog 10y ago
      It is all great if you do not have existing hardware you want to use. I have a Logitech mouse I love, it has a USB connector receiver that sticks 3 mm out of my laptop so I keep it plugged in all the time. The idea of it hanging of some cable adapter is just silly, not even mentioning the fact that you have to buy it. Or my fancy 27" Apple Thunderbolt display. I had no issue paying the Apple tax because I loved the display and it doubles as a docking station (integrated power adapter). Guess what, it doesn't work with the new laptop. The new display they are selling is made by LG and was not available for purchase until few weeks ago.
      - realityking 10y ago
        There's an adapter for your Thunderbolt Display. You will however miss out on the power provided by the display.
shmerl 10y ago
You started talking about hardware, but somehow switched to OSes. PC hardware is not tied to Windows and MacOS.
wyclif 10y ago
Isn't the real problem that Macbooks consist of less and less of their business year over year? The iPhone is where Apple really puts all the pressure to innovate.
gns24 10y ago
Yup. A lot of people are complaining about a lack of exciting updates, but I'd rather start by seeing hardware updates that keep up with the industry. Whereas Apple were once releasing products based on Intel chips before they were even widely available, we're now looking at products which are generations behind. Low-power Kaby Lake chips have been available for six months; why is there no Kaby Lake Macbook yet?

by hoodoof 10y ago

Razengan 10y ago

The new MacBooks outsold all their competitors, so I glean that they still know how to compete: https://intelligence.slice.com/apples-macbook-pro-launch/ https://intelligence.slice.com/apples-macbook-pro-launch/

hoodoof 10y ago
Maybe there was record sales because there was a record number of years since the hardware was last updated. Latent demand = sales. It's certainly not due to the effusive praise of the press.
- Razengan 10y ago
  Conversely, this could also mean that the "press" and the vocal majority on a few online forums have no bearing on what people out there really want. In almost every discussion about this, you will see some people who have actually purchased — unlike the detractors — these machines and are happy with them. I personally don't see anything bad about the new MacBooks either, except the lack of out-of-the-box compatibility with the new iPhones/EarPods, and their price point in relation to my budget at this current point in time. I will definitely be buying one as soon as I can afford it. Going all USB3/Thunderbolt only is very good, exciting even, and harkens back to 2 decades ago when the very first iMac came out as the first every USB-only computer. The wide color displays have to be seen in person to be appreciated. The battery problems and GPU glitches have been found to be on the software side, iirc, and some of those issues have already been patched.
  - gog 10y ago
    It is all great if you do not have existing hardware you want to use. I have a Logitech mouse I love, it has a USB connector receiver that sticks 3 mm out of my laptop so I keep it plugged in all the time. The idea of it hanging of some cable adapter is just silly, not even mentioning the fact that you have to buy it. Or my fancy 27" Apple Thunderbolt display. I had no issue paying the Apple tax because I loved the display and it doubles as a docking station (integrated power adapter). Guess what, it doesn't work with the new laptop. The new display they are selling is made by LG and was not available for purchase until few weeks ago.
    - realityking 10y ago
      There's an adapter for your Thunderbolt Display. You will however miss out on the power provided by the display.

shmerl 10y ago

You started talking about hardware, but somehow switched to OSes. PC hardware is not tied to Windows and MacOS.

wyclif 10y ago

Isn't the real problem that Macbooks consist of less and less of their business year over year? The iPhone is where Apple really puts all the pressure to innovate.

gns24 10y ago

Yup. A lot of people are complaining about a lack of exciting updates, but I'd rather start by seeing hardware updates that keep up with the industry. Whereas Apple were once releasing products based on Intel chips before they were even widely available, we're now looking at products which are generations behind. Low-power Kaby Lake chips have been available for six months; why is there no Kaby Lake Macbook yet?